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  • the description in the article certainly is confusing to a European who isn’t a pharmacist (especially as pharmacists here use slightly different terminology). I had never seen pharm amfetamines described as 25% of 4 different salts before; Could also explain why its not on our formulary as prescribers may wonder what on earth is actually in it – whereas the SmithKiline dexys are just the same as they were 30-40 years ago….

    Oh it’s definitely pharm grade GL but some laws og chemisry dictate that when making dexamphetamine, you can have a maximum purity of 74%. I’d assumed the other 26% was taken up by the other isomer only but I was wrong.

    Like always on PV, if someone reads all the posts they’ll get the whole story. I was trying to say the weird salts that sound like sugar are there to give it a candy taste if/when you crush the pill with your teeth. I swear I’m not lying.

    Ah, so basically you havw the 2 pure isomoers but to put intyo pill form various binders and shit are needed?

    Yeah something so that it isn’t a powder, imagine if you went to the pharmacy and they gave you a little baggie with 300mg of ampehtamine in a 3 to 1 ratio of the two isomers instead of 30 10mg pills? How much quicker would that powder be gone for most folks?

    @Shakyamuni 979723 wrote:

    Like always on PV, if someone reads all the posts they’ll get the whole story. I was trying to say the weird salts that sound like sugar are there to give it a candy taste if/when you crush the pill with your teeth. I swear I’m not lying.

    I did wonder if that might be a factor but my lack of pharm knowledge plus having never sampled the stuff myself was not sure. This could also be another big factor in why they are not on UK formulary.

    European health services (since early 1980s) strongly discourage “sweet tasting medicines” in preparations that are prescribed to children; for obvious safety concerns. I did notice in the patient information that one method of administration is that the capsules are sometimes opened and added to some kind of dessert to encourage the patient to take the meds – however in my country and most of EU this would be classed as covert administration which might not be legal even for kids without consent unless the condition is immediately life threatening.

    At my work we cannot force those seniors who are still able to just about talk and move to take their medications (although refusals are uncommon and when they do happen often means whatever they had been prescribed is making them feel worse, and eventually the GP will try a different substance). It is only those at age 90+ who are bedridden who get put on automatic syringe drivers (filled up with any amount of strong opiates including fentanyl etc) but those patients are at the stage where they will not to be leaving the place alive…

    Yeah, for Adderall XR for one of the stickers on the bottle it says something along the lines “for young childern open capsule add to applesauce doesn’t change the effectiveness” and Adderall tablets taste pretty sweet, so do the XR beads if you take them out of the capsule and chew them although not as good as the tablets.

    Well there are plenty of ADHD meds out there so I guess Brits don’t fuck with Adderall for various reasons, funny how we can’t get any sort of global continuity of healthcare.

    Some good points there my man.

    @Shakyamuni 979729 wrote:

    Yeah, for Adderall XR for one of the stickers on the bottle it says something along the lines “for young childern open capsule add to applesauce doesn’t change the effectiveness” and Adderall tablets taste pretty sweet, so do the XR beads if you take them out of the capsule and chew them although not as good as the tablets.

    Well there are plenty of ADHD meds out there so I guess Brits don’t fuck with Adderall for various reasons, funny how we can’t get any sort of global continuity of healthcare.

    covertly administering medication to food is banned here for human patients of any age over 16 who have mental capacity; and any children judged to be intelligent enough to understand what is involved in the treatment. ADHD is often diagnosed when a child attends compulsory education and often presents in children who are above average intelligence.

    Concealing medication in food and/or making it more palatable is normally only used in veterinary treatment for pet cats and smaller breeds of dogs – larger ones can be more greedy and often gobble anything put in front of them; many are unfortunately poisoned this way.

    On top of this many in Southern England (especially the generation below age 25 many of whom are now parents) are notoriously bad at maths, prescribing medication in this manner is just asking for trouble. Gross overdoses of amfetamine in children appear to be more serious as even if not fatal they can result in long term irreversible and potentially life limiting physical health problems.

    Like spiking someone. Doesn’t matter how clever they are, it’s wrong. I’ve seen patints forcibly medicated in hospital but never ithout their knowledge.

    Too much to start out with, try a smaller dose. You will definitely get a buzz going at least regardless of how small the dose is because youve never taken it before. The XR versions are way better for all day on the go but theyre not my personal favorite when it comes to getting a good high going. Just sayin…

    Today I managed to talk a nurse into letting me check a more modern copy of the British National Formulary (these now get locked away in the secure trolley) by telling her “a friend in a foreign country was unwell and wanted to know more about his treatment” (which means I have a minor Sin to confess as Illiesse gets more advanced healthcare than mainland EU, not surprising with the amount of pharm companies in CH)

    I noticed several more preparations of methylphenidate indicated for juvenile ADHD, lisdexamfetamine is now also available (but shown “unlicensed” for adult treatment) but no Adderall whatsoever – TBH I suspect the MHRA (UK medicine safety regulators) do not allow it in our country as by the manufacturers own admission confirm it is a “rough mixture of all sorts” and safer and cheaper treatments are available.

    I was on 3 different wards in a psychiatric hospital and on 2 wards I could ask to see it and they’d happily show me it. The other ward however was staffed bu people who must have seriously hated their job and the people they were supposed to care for so I was not in the least surprised when they refused when I asked to look at it regarding the medication IO’d just been prescribed.

    TBH the reason our copies are now stored like that is a consequence of NHS budget cuts (although I work for a private company about 30% of me is technically “NHS resources” due to the way senior care is funded in England) – previously the NHS would supply all local healthcare organisations with free/lower cost copies but now we have to buy our own.

    Controlled drugs are or should be locked away and the store cupboards now use a particularly bulky key and have always had alarms on the doors so diversion isn’t trivial even with access to info on what “could be of interest”

    unfortunately some healthcare staff do/did think they were 1970s era coppers; one of my uncles who lives in Essex was the first non white quality assurance manager in Southern England and specialises in identifying and putting a stop to this kind of behaviour (which can often be caused by lack of communication skills, language barriers and workloads as much as malicious intent).

    Ah absolutely the meds were in a locked trolley in the medical room but the BNF was kept just in the office.

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