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December 28, 2006 at 12:21 pm

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Doctors have called for a sharp rise in alcohol prices after a report said 28,000 victims of drink-related violence are treated in A&E each year. Scottish Health Action on Alcohol Problems (SHAAP) also called for a stop to supermarket drinks promotions.

Looks like that nanny state style clampdown is spreading…..you can see why though:

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It said this meant about 77 people a day were being treated in hospitals for alcohol-related assaults.

Most of the cases of verbal or physical attacks on A&E staff were also blamed on drink.

The full report is here

and check this related article too

I am becoming suspicious that the goverment in this country would like us to return to the era of WWII – diet restricted by what they allow, ID cards and all kinds of civil liberty restricting measures….

Mind you given the irresponsibility of some of the individuals out there you can see their concern, although I think that insisting on personal responsibility is the cheaper solution longterm than more social controls….

Any views guys?
December 28, 2006 at 12:45 pm

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hasn’t there been “calls for personal responsibility” for years though? certainly for as long as I have been drinking (like about 1986)..

not even sure if its the alcohol but also peoples wider values in society…people are angrier and more prepared to fight at the moment for a lot of reasons, even when they haven’t had drink or drugs…

Throughout the 80s and 90s I was a fairly heavy drinker, but I don’t recall seeing or getting involved in too much trouble … its appears to be around last 10 years, particularly since the dot-com crash, 9/11 and 7/7 that there is all this outpouring of anger and national insecurity which is IMO why people are drinking more in the first place…

Raj wrote:

I am becoming suspicious that the goverment in this country would like us to return to the era of WWII – diet restricted by what they allow, ID cards and all kinds of civil liberty restricting measures….

I agree – but I think all British Governments and particularly Middle England has had for many years an unhealthy obsession with this period of British history and the period immediately after it

they view with rose-tinted spectacles as the “best time of the nation” and it cloaks a nostalgic desire for the days of Empire and stricter social/class boundaries – whilst forgetting about the real hardships that occured then

I wonder if any other European nation has such a cutural fascination with World War II?
December 28, 2006 at 1:29 pm

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I wonder if any other European nation has such a cutural fascination with World War II?

Not France,definitly:we have many reasons to be ashamed:defeat,collaboration with the ennemy…This wasn’t the best time of the nation over there.The kind of new moral order that the Pétain governement tried to impulse(“Travail Famille Patrie “->Work,Family,Nation) didn’t survive to the end of war.

Nowadays some people in France would like to restrain alcohol abuse,but it’s mostly seen as an attack against both the national spirit and one of our strongest industry:it’s a “one step forward,two steps backward” dance…(recently a deputy wanted the children in school to learn how to taste wine !!!)
December 28, 2006 at 1:44 pm

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665 wrote:

Nowadays some people in France would like to restrain alcohol abuse,but it’s mostly seen as an attack against both the national spirit and one of our strongest industry:it’s a “one step forward,two steps backward” dance…(recently a deputy wanted the children in school to learn how to taste wine !!!)

what is the real situation there?

Many people in England think that France is way better for managing alcohol use; but I have also heard there is a lot of drunk driving and domestic abuse in France because some people are never sober….

Also I read some articles claiming that French youths are now drinking “like the English”, the journalists have even coined the phrase le binge-drinking
December 28, 2006 at 1:55 pm

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MMhhh…Hard to give a general answer to these questions…

I grew up in a little shitty city,where my friends and I practiced binge drinking since our 14 years old;not only every week end,but also during the week(before school,after or worse:during).And every mate I know did the same,don’t mind where they are from…The teenagers do the same today.

The difference is that we may drink less white alcohol(shitty gin !) than in the UK,wich in my mind drives people crazy an violent…

Drunken driving seems to rise up,but it’s just that there’s more and more controls…

People here fuck their brains as in UK,in fact,and about violence,it’s not due IMO to alcohol abuse.The real problem is elsewhere…
December 28, 2006 at 2:08 pm

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sounds about the same as the UK then… (we did all the same things, including drinking at high school age).

I agree with you that the violence has many other causes – much of it is due to economic and social inequality which the Government cannot solve by just passing more and more laws and control…
December 28, 2006 at 2:35 pm

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much of it is due to economic and social inequality

Not so simple,I guess…economy is one thing,happiness is another(as soon as you have food and a roof)…In my mind,our mass culture is an huge source of violence,replacing what humans wants to BE by what humans want to HAVE.

We are about to lost our spiritual link to the world,and IMO,this could be one of the deepest reason of violence.Feeling lost in the universe,with no more gods or spirits,what’s remaining for us?The oldschool rave movement was a kind of universal church(without stupid violent gods and priests),where you could magically find your way yourself,and share it freely and out of the words with the Others(in my case it was).This is about to be forgotten;and the feeling of being alone is leading to violence…

Don’t know if I’m really clear,but it’s difficult to express into words…
December 28, 2006 at 2:59 pm

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665 wrote:

We are about to lost our spiritual link to the world,and IMO,this could be one of the deepest reason of violence.Feeling lost in the universe,with no more gods or spirits,what’s remaining for us?The oldschool rave movement was a kind of universal church(without stupid violent gods and priests),where you could magically find your way yourself,and share it freely and out of the words with the Others(in my case it was).This is about to be forgotten;and the feeling of being alone is leading to violence…

Don’t know if I’m really clear,but it’s difficult to express into words…

I agree with you, this is exactly what seems to be happening across Europe and is already the big problem in other countries (where angry youths actually take up real guns, or become radical terrorists)

and whatever drugs/alcohol people take they won’t get violent if they have hope and something to look forward too..

but there is a real nihilistic culture developing on the “alternative scene”

Another user from FRance sent us this link (apparently our forum had the only picture of the girl)

http://www.jademortesquatt.canalblog.com/

there are some very interesting (although sad) stories there

(I keep going back to it and reading it a bit at a time, as I of course need to know the “street language” as well as the French I got taught at high school to understand it properly, so I have to look these terms up on google (but it is worth the effort).
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