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January 20, 2005 at 7:53 pm

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General Lighting

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if you mean methamphetamine its a stronger form of amphet which is not as yet commonly found in the UK. It does crop up from time to time, but people are frightened of it as it is supposed to be easier to becoem addicted to it or get psychosis, paranoia etc

from what I’ve read on sites with more Americans on them like Bluelight.nu this does seem to be the case.
January 20, 2005 at 11:07 pm

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Methamphetamine, as far as I’m aware, seems to be fairly rare over here, but it the US it’s pretty rampant. It’s looked upon as similar in social standing to crack, one of those instant-hit but not a long lasting high, leading to intense addiction. People are known to stay up for days and days rolling on it. Can’t say it sounds too appealing to me, but each to their own. The film ‘Spun’ is based around the use of it but if you’re looking for proper factual evidence I wouldn’t suggest basing it on this film as it’s pretty tongue in cheek and in no way covers the breakdown of lives and relationships as heavily as the likes of Requiem for a Dream.

In my experience of edinburgh ampetamine, base tends to be squidgy gooey balls you can’t do much with except rubbing in yer gums, and speed is the white powder, although I’ve found the whiter the speed, the less ‘effective’ it is (presumably because it’s cut with more chalk/talcum/glucose etc).
January 21, 2005 at 1:41 pm

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Thank you both for that information. Its still a bit shady though. “Its stronger…” Yeah, but, hmm, that doesn’t explain anything. Its differently composed, isn’t it. When you refer to Requiem for a Dream, is that to compare the two movies in terms of ‘reality’, or to tell me that Requiem… is spun around the use of meth.? I’ve checked out bluelight.nu. Now, I dont know if I have a ‘stiff upper lip’ tendancy, but in my world this is too harsh:

“*Best drug to get rid of depression/loneliness 14-01-2005 11:31 (#2628984)
First up I been on SSRI’s, they do FUCK ALL. So, if you guys could recommend something that will cure the way I’ve been feeling lately, especially today. I know how to get some H, I’ve tried it once a few weeks back(only snorted) and it seemed to do the trick, this time I’d be willing to IV it even though I’d have to go solo since people that IV heroin users are looked down upon(even those these same people shoot crystal meth) I would prefer to do some Oxycodone again but it’s EXTREMELY hard to get your hands on around these parts. Soo, best drug to do for my problems? I just want to zone out for a bit and forget about the world.”

I’m just not okay with this attitude, or more precisely, I’m not okay with the fact that hyper-tolerant and overly helpful people actually just reply to this question as if he was asking for, I dont know, where to buy toothpaste. (Okay, thats a silly exemple). What happened to the affection?

Anyway, I think that I’ve come across methamphetamine in France, in a pill, and it was some nasty shit.
January 21, 2005 at 2:33 pm

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globalloon

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Thank you both for that information. Its still a bit shady though. “Its stronger…” Yeah, but, hmm, that doesn’t explain anything. Its differently composed, isn’t it

It is made by adding a powder (anything from flour to baking soda) to a high concentrate liquid ‘speed’ which then crystallises around the particles

base usually refers to the pastey substance

speed refers to anything… from the powder that you can often buy which is made from base that has been cut 8-10 times… to dexidrine, which doctors sometimes prescribe for headaches… even to pro-plus which you can buy overthe counter in boots and contains nothing more exotic than caffeine.

all the terms like “speed”, “base” etc are just slang.

In the main, in the UK base is almost pure amphetamine sulphate. speed is any old shit.

clear enough?
January 21, 2005 at 3:47 pm

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Actually, the talk was about meth. this time… Anyway, its as clear as it can possibly be when clear references are ‘sedated’ by words like ‘usual’ and ‘just about anything’… 🙂
January 21, 2005 at 4:37 pm

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Unregistered wrote:

Actually, the talk was about meth. this time… Anyway, its as clear as it can possibly be when clear references are ‘sedated’ by words like ‘usual’ and ‘just about anything’… 🙂

sorry mate

thread is called

base or speed and whats the difference

if i didn’t use words like ‘usually’ some pedant would get up and say ‘but my mate dave calls X base’. we’re talking about slang terms, after all

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June 21, 2005 at 1:16 pm

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So base would be worth alot more than normal speed?

I was talking to a mate and we need some arguments cleared up as we both dont know.
How long can they both be kept?

So base is normally cut a fair bit? like how much on average for good quality stuff?

Do you know anything about measurements eg. how many points in a gram, and what is a n 8ball measurement?
June 21, 2005 at 2:13 pm

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mr brightside wrote:

So base would be worth alot more than normal speed?

it’s so cheap, i don’t think it could get any cheaper… stay up all night on £1

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How long can they both be kept?

a very long time

base will turn into a very hard lump after a while, but is still pretty strong
June 21, 2005 at 9:04 pm

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base tends to cost the same…speeds just really a bump.
June 30, 2005 at 3:08 am

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Is base usually cut to make normal speed?

How long can speed be kept and under what conditions?
June 30, 2005 at 4:12 am

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can someone give some accurate insight??

General Lighting wrote:

they are both street names for (dex)amphetamine sulphate.

Base/Bass is a term sometimes used to denote a higher strength product than speed (which can be and often is cut with glucose, chalk or other inert susbstance).

In the last 10 years the term “speed” has increasinly been associated with lower purity substances.

However, many people who have been used to lower grade gear and who suddenly encounter base often take way too much initially, and then end up being unable to sleep on Sundays, get some psychosis/paranoia and a fucking huge comedown at the start of the week, complain they are ill/dying/freaking out etc.

This they often blame on “crap gear” rather than greed and lack of knowledge, and perhaps understandably prefer the less strong stuff. People also sometimes (particularly at parties) think they quantity of powder/pills consumed is a race or competition against their friends and like to be taking “loads” of stuff.

Be careful – with higher purity stuff “less is more”!
June 30, 2005 at 7:40 am

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when you buy “speed” it could any one of a long list of drugs see here.

“base” is used to denote these chemicals at their purest state, in the same way that “crack” is used to denote purest cocaine. they both go through a “washing” process to get rid of any impurities.

because you buy these substances from a criminal market with high risks and needs, and with no regulation, what you may be sold as “crack” or “base” may not nesseccarily be as pure as it should be. dealers know their customers will be looking for certain physical properties when (and if) they inspect their drugs, and these basic signs can be falsified. cocaine users, for example will want a rock of crack that looks crystally, but in truth crystals can be made relatively easily with cut elements still inside. same goes for base.

the reason why noone can give you a strait answer is because there isnt one. if you buy drugs on the black market, theres no telling what it really is untill you’ve done it, its not like a pharmacy with controls and safeguards. what might be sold as base in one part of the country may be sold as speed in another, and again as exctasy tablets in another, and if you are really unlucky, as cocaine in another part.

looking for definite answers in the world of illegal drugs is a wild goose chase. the best place to go is to erowid if you want to know more.

happy speeding!

ps: i wouldnt touch that shit with a bargepole, natural highs all the way, at least they arent cut.
June 30, 2005 at 9:16 am

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General Lighting

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as others said its impossible to give really accurate details; unless you are a qualifed chemist with access to a spectrometer (and then you could get nicked for posession or even intent to supply unless you were testing on behalf of the Home Office)

base is cut to make normal speed but this is very rarely done nowadays as most people want base – I’ve not seen low-grade speed for about 10 years now, which I think is a good thing

but base is sometimes also cut by those who are greedy, or if it comes from sources where people are injecting it and gettting desperate.

I would expect it can be kept for some months. My circle of friends are not big time dealers so anything which turns up doesn’t get kept for that long 😉

simple advice; if you get base intiially take an amount the size of a match head. This should keep you awake for some hours if it is good stuff.
July 1, 2005 at 11:36 am

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well if it is base that you have how can you snort it or anything unless it is a powder which would mean cutting it?

and base is that strong that it would burn your tongue?

so the speed powder you would get around the place (even though very strong)
would be what? cut base(speed) or something different?
July 1, 2005 at 12:10 pm

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mr brightside wrote:

well if it is base that you have how can you snort it or anything unless it is a powder which would mean cutting it?

and base is that strong that it would burn your tongue?

its not supposed to burn your tongue, but if the chemistry has been done sloppily remnants of sulphuric and other acids will remain in the mixture! However few people pH test the stuff they take..

many people who take this stuff will take it orally wrapped in a rizla – or inject it (which I certainly do not recommend, it also makes it a higher penalty drug here inthe UK)

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so the speed powder you would get around the place (even though very strong)
would be what? cut base(speed) or something different?

it is cut base; although lightly cut to make it easier to snort as you say. (even then this is harsh on the inside of your nose and can cause other health problems). These deals are sometimes sold at parties and raves.

I can’t speak for other parts of the world but speed in powder form is normally expected to be relatively weak, whilst a “paste” form and a strong odour is seen as a mark of quality.

oral administration in an inert wrapper such as a cigarette paper (called a “bomb” here because the package looks a bit like the old-fashioned bomb you see in cartoons) appears to be the least harmful (and most covert) way of taking the substance (requiring little paraphenalia or preparation).
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