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October 14, 2006 at 12:59 am

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Raj

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doolittle wrote:

keeps you warm though

:laugh_at::laugh_at:

yeah mate but if you want to be warm while you smoke at mine – bring it with you 😉 [and hope we dont have our usual howling gale too :groucho::groucho::groucho:]
October 14, 2006 at 10:04 am

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General Lighting

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when I lived in Reading the purple turtle pub had patio heaters anyway and there is no smoking ban there

they are used anyway to heat up outdoor areas so they can be used in colder seasons – to expand the available space in a pub (and therefore the amount of punters and revenue); OK they are not good for the environment but the pubs wouldn’t spend the money if there wasn’t a return..
October 14, 2006 at 1:31 pm

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freespirited

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General Lighting wrote:

when I lived in Reading the purple turtle pub had patio heaters anyway and there is no smoking ban there
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i practically live in reading go to the turtle evry week and they still have patio heaters and no ban!
and now its open till 4 am in the morning! crazy

can see why they have heaters though cos in the winter its bloody freezing!
December 24, 2006 at 5:21 am

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MisterDuck

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My two points on the issue:

1. What are they going to do about indoor gigs? Inside a venue for around 4 hours, sometimes more if you want to get near the front – how are they going to enforce no smoking? Normally there is a very strict “once in, you are in. no leaving and then returning” policy. Having said that, I went to see Primal Scream in November at the Manchester Apollo, and despite numerous signs all around advertising the fact that it was a no smoking venue; just about half the crowd ignored the rule. The venue staff didn’t make any attempt to enforce it.

2. Is this new smoking ban going to effect football stands? If they are included in the ban… well, I can’t see it happening. I support Grimsby Town, and there is a no-smoking family stand which is an atmosphere suitable for both home and away supporters (with some exceptions). However the Pontoon Stand, with the die-hard supporters in… well, a large percentage of regulars there smoke. There is no way the stewards will be able to prevent hundreds of smokers lighting up.

It really is stupid. Better ventilation is what was needed, extracting the smoke, designated smoking areas – not an all-round ban on smoking in public places. Personally I smoke; but even my most anti-smoking mates (the ones who are always on my back about it) disagree with this ban.
December 26, 2006 at 7:06 pm

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General Lighting

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lots of UK venues already have had extensive segregated areas and extra ventilation since the mid 90s it seems – When me and my mates were partying squatted pubs I regularly used to encounter various forms of smoke extractors whilst doing the “site survey” :laugh_at:The equipment was clearly cheap enough for the breweries to abandon rather than recover it when the venues closed…

(I used to get them powered up when fixing the electrics – so we had squat parties with smoke extraction – can’t complain we weren’t thinking about health and safety… :laugh_at:

I have a nasty feeling that the authorities will make extensive use of people grassing up venues that don’t comply – I would bet that some managers/promoters will visit their commercial rivals venues and grass them up if they are flouting the ban just as a way of making life hard for a competitor…

Also if people start getting angry when the ban is enforced and kicking off at door staff or others in the street CCTV ops will see this and get the venues put on closure as “flashpoints for violence” ….

TBH I don’t think the smoking ban is more about social control than protecting health….

Its being done (across the EU, not just Britain it seems) as a nasty wider trend of “lifestyle policing” which is being used on a number of levels to remove the parts of the “nighttime economy” that Middle England/Middle Europe doesn’t agree with.
December 27, 2006 at 12:54 am

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shortylila

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Right as a smoker the ban is a good thing and a bad thing… Explaination below…………………..

Good …

You dont go out and find burn marks all over your new clothes… or body

You dont come back stinking of fags ( I have to admit hate the smell of stale smoke)

Dont dance like being given an electric shock all the time by dodging fags all night

Dont have to use inhalers all the time being asthmatic

Bad..

There are only 2 bad things and one is kinda good

In a well known well packed club you leave drinks on an unmaned table…. could be spiked anything and the club will take no responsibility …. NO they should on their premises as we have to go outside so should watch ALL drinks at ALL times as on the club grounds!!

Queues for fags … makes you not want one!! … good in my book as dont smoke nearly as much

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Right been to loads of gigs after the ban started up here and smoking in gigs with closed roofs with thousands and thousands of people in it …. no chance at all of getting away with it!!!

All gigs have more staff roaming about with torches and one puff of smoke that is it out the door…. all toilets have security in them too… gigs that dont let you out the door after it started… it is tough …. yes i know but you just have to deal with it and run outside when the gig is over!!

We have smoking police and am not joking we do!!!…… T in the Park was after the ban and I saw hundreds of people being rushed out by security in the tents … if you are sly u can get away with it … but in my opinion after paying all the cash to see the bands … Is it really worth just the one puff???????

BTW does include football stands but ones that dont have 50% ventilation .. dont think much they can do…thing is die hard fans will still go to the matches whatever…

Ban in England is going to be different to Scotland anyway but quite similar… just not as strict for the 1st ban…. ours was shocking straight out…. streets are a mess..
December 27, 2006 at 10:08 pm

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Acidfairy

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shortylila wrote:

Bad..

There are only 2 bad things and one is kinda good

I’d say there’s another bad one.. u can smell everyone’s farts.. all shapes sizes and colours imaginable.. not nice :crazy::crazy: not to mention some really exotic BO
December 28, 2006 at 8:30 am

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Techno4yourhead

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You can smell a proper fart whether there is smoke or not.
December 28, 2006 at 4:19 pm

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General Lighting

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have ticket prices to enter events in Scotland increased since the ban?

I can’t believe all these people looking out for smokers work for free, or carry out an extra security task without demanding some compensation…

Did any smaller venues close, or convert into restaurants, offices or other “less problematic” types of businesses?
December 28, 2006 at 4:45 pm

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Raj

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Well Edinburgh has lost all but one of its venues and this is being killed by stages….its not a new problem though it started back in the 90s

Part of the problem was that all the clubs stopped evolving in terms of their playlists and their special features and thought they could cash in on their success up to that point while siphoning off funds and doing minimal[or no] work to keep the clubbing experience interesting…..

They were wrong and the crowds stopped going clubbing [some altogether] while many went to free parties [partly because they were free which is why getting donations to help run these parties up here is such a pain] and partly because the parties didnt stop at 3 am :groucho: and were always a fresh experience

Not allowing smoking in the venues is just another nail in the coffin of licensed clubbing – the numbers in clubs had already dropped off sharply before this happened
December 28, 2006 at 5:00 pm

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General Lighting

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Raj wrote:

Well Edinburgh has lost all but one of its venues and this is being killed by stages….its not a new problem though it started back in the 90s

Part of the problem was that all the clubs stopped evolving in terms of their playlists and their special features and thought they could cash in on their success up to that point while siphoning off funds and doing minimal[or no] work to keep the clubbing experience interesting…..

They were wrong and the crowds stopped going clubbing [some altogether] while many went to free parties [partly because they were free which is why getting donations to help run these parties up here is such a pain] and partly because the parties didnt stop at 3 am :groucho: and were always a fresh experience

sounds just like what happend this side of the border in the 90s then…

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Not allowing smoking in the venues is just another nail in the coffin of licensed clubbing – the numbers in clubs had already dropped off sharply before this happened

I reckon it will cause damage in England and the Govt will want it to do so (even Cameron’s mob if they were to get in would be as bad if not worse)

There already appears to be (in England) a “balkanisation” of late night partying, with the licensed venues being pushed into “rougher” areas of London and inner cities, and even then subject to intense scrutiny from the authorities…

I’ve heard of venues getting licenses knocked back because the local rudes have decided to rob the punters’ cars in the car park – and because the victims have reported the break ins to the old bill so they can claim on insurance, the cops record it as “crimes associated with the presence of the late night venue” :hopeless: ; also dance events are treated more harshly as “places where class A drugs may be present”

unlike squat parties (which are also under threat due to increased surveillance and security) these venues are managed by someone who has to make a commercial success of the business to keep their job and the building freehold owners (not necessarily the same people) demand a return on investment

increasing hassle with regulators/law enforcement due to the line of business they choose eats away at the time they have for other things and thus reduces profits….

I can see venue managers who are not dedicated to providing late night musical entertainment simply converting into posh restaurants / wine-bars with shorter hours and all sorts of other pretentious crap to try and minimise risk and maximise (or preserve) revenue..

or just selling up and building loads of offices etc….
January 4, 2007 at 7:06 pm

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kaito

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Exactlly – and thats my only real problem with this law – the fact that its going to continue the trend that is currently happening (and has been slowly but surely since the town centre planning regulations of the ’70’s) for the death of small underground or alternative venues to be pushed out of the market in favour of homogenised pretentious bullshit bars, chain pubs, theme pubs and restaurants.

While I’m glad its gonna help me stop smoking as I only really do when i’m out, to me its not worth it, as its another step to a homogenised society of clones who all do the same safe shite that the government wants us to do – removal of dissent by social conditioning and removal of alternative choices anyone? Maybe going a little too far to say its all intended to move things that way but it does seem to be the trend we are heading towards.
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