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Surprised no one on here has commented on these news reports.. you don’t need to be an eco-warrior to realise what this means. The Norweigians who noticed this aren’t all tree huggers, they have lots of cars and gadgets like anyone else, but they are first in line to be affected and realise this and are taking action.
Its like defrosting a giant fridge freezer in a communal house (like student house at the end of term). All the water has to go somewhere, and if you do not take note of what is going on, the kitchen floor will soon be awash.. :yakk:
Sea ice | Environment | The Guardian
Arctic sea ice melt ‘may bring harsh winter to Europe’ | Environment | guardian.co.uk
I have seen this….the first signs of this was when the birds in the north of scandinavia have had no kids this summer…the summer have been cold up north this year…some places that normally have no snow in the summer had snow on the ground until late july early august….
@!sinner69! 495602 wrote:
I have seen this….the first signs of this was when the birds in the north of scandinavia have had no kids this summer…the summer have been cold up north this year…some places that normally have no snow in the summer had snow on the ground until late july early august….
Normally I would click “like” on this but this doesn’t seem appropriate – this isn’t good stuff to be happening at all. There seemed to be less birds even in UK this year (maybe they go to another country where the weather is warmer!), as normally they make a nest up in the roof just above my bedroom, I was going to put a IR camera up into the roofspace at one point to see what was up there…
for 30+ years I have had an interest in “wandering outside” (like a tom cat) and weather (no cat wants to be outside in unpleasant weather!), and more so since taking up cycling in 2001. I have not seen such strange weather as in recent times, even taking into account moving 200km since 2006. When I worked at the Environment Ministry many folk there said “it is damn strange weather” but then they weren’t quite sure what was causing it or too many folk were (and still are arguing and bickering)
must get round to setting up the HF antenna again so I can receive the full weather map from DE – earlier this year I saw that the UK got “all the weather at once”, then it went round in a circle to NL and DK. but the outdoor antenna started to become less reliable as the weather got into it! Damp caused it to be earthed at one end via a tree (which is now grown very large due to the rain), but that was the “dirty earth” as the electric substation transfomer is outside the back wall of my garden :crazy:
It’s the end of the world as we know it……….and I feel fine…..
what is also worrying is folk are thinking “oh, a big hole in the ice! we can get at oil and gas below it now!” which seems like a solution but that oil and gas isn’t trivial to get at, various countries are now arguing about borders etc and could even be stupid enough to use up the last of it fighting over it… :hopeless:
Arctic expert predicts final collapse of sea ice within four years | Environment | guardian.co.uk
missed this thread…
@General Lighting 495597 wrote:
Surprised no one on here has commented on these news reports.. you don’t need to be an eco-warrior to realise what this means. The Norweigians who noticed this aren’t all tree huggers, they have lots of cars and gadgets like anyone else, but they are first in line to be affected and realise this and are taking action.
Its like defrosting a giant fridge freezer in a communal house (like student house at the end of term). All the water has to go somewhere, and if you do not take note of what is going on, the kitchen floor will soon be awash.. :yakk:
Sea ice | Environment | The Guardian
Arctic sea ice melt ‘may bring harsh winter to Europe’ | Environment | guardian.co.uk
we’ve been talking about this alot at home recently, thought about posting it on here, but I dunno -these sorts of threads dont seem to attract much conversation on here these days…
The environment movement is fragmented, and conservatives/puritans are hijacking a lot of the ideas and adding their kind of austerity to them, which is clearly putting off a lot of younger people. Especially when drugs are a still widely available distraction… then there is a lot of greenwash to try and sell expensive new consumer goods because they are “eco-friendly”.
I was thinking that if a venue had a sound system that produced high quality sound for a much smaller amount of electric, it wasn’t 100km away from the town so people could walk or cycle there (also avoiding DUI issues) and 350 people partied in this venue rather than sat at home and played computer games or watched DVDs on a 42″ plasma TV (these gadgets now being switched off), then the impact is surely way less than all the 350 people at home?
Peoples ignorance to this matter angers me too much to post a productive comment so instead im now going to log off and grumble at my gf about it.
Its quite simple really…just be less greedy.
The more shit you buy (be it clothes, food, electronic products, cosmetics) the more is being produced.
Consumerism a big issue here.
To many people passing the blame on going ‘tut tut look at the state of the arctic, humanities awful’ whilst eating a rustlers in front of a 42″ plasma.
@General Lighting 496287 wrote:
The environment movement is fragmented, and conservatives/puritans are hijacking a lot of the ideas and adding their kind of austerity to them, which is clearly putting off a lot of younger people. Especially when drugs are a still widely available distraction… then there is a lot of greenwash to try and sell expensive new consumer goods because they are “eco-friendly”.
I was thinking that if a venue had a sound system that produced high quality sound for a much smaller amount of electric, it wasn’t 100km away from the town so people could walk or cycle there (also avoiding DUI issues) and 350 people partied in this venue rather than sat at home and played computer games or watched DVDs on a 42″ plasma TV (these gadgets now being switched off), then the impact is surely way less than all the 350 people at home?
Its scary how indoorsy people are getting; I mean you go to any big residential area even on a hot day and almost no people are outside. I think about how many people inhabit these houses and wonder where they all are.
@Izbeckistan 496331 wrote:
Its scary how indoorsy people are getting; I mean you go to any big residential area even on a hot day and almost no people are outside. I think about how many people inhabit these houses and wonder where they all are.
thats worrying given you are supposed to be living in the tolerant/arty area of the UK with good weather. WTF are these people scared of, and why are they living on the South Coast FFS?
@General Lighting 496336 wrote:
thats worrying given you are supposed to be living in the tolerant/arty area of the UK with good weather. WTF are these people scared of, and why are they living on the South Coast FFS?
Not so much brighton but where I used to live in margate. (which actually has a beautiful sandy coast)
Yeah you do see people on the beach a lot but when you think of the population its a small percentage.
Kids don’t seem to play on the street any more, I’v witnessed it with my own younger relatives.
@Izbeckistan 496337 wrote:
Not so much brighton but where I used to live in margate. (which actually has a beautiful sandy coast)
Yeah you do see people on the beach a lot but when you think of the population its a small percentage.
Kids don’t seem to play on the street any more, I’v witnessed it with my own younger relatives.
This started when I was a kid, its not even paranoia about abductions (which are rare) but more of children being run over. The way many English roads are is unfortunately understandable. Other countries realised 40 years ago it makes no sense to encourage people to drive private cars through crowded towns at 30-40mph (50-65 km/h) – and changed their road layouts and speed limits accordingly, whilst letting folk drive faster where it is safe to do so (such as the German autobahn with no speed limit, and the Dutch equivalent which allows 80mph or 100 km/h).
Before they changed road layouts in Holland there were some big protests where the mums pointed out that they might as well be living in a country full of child murderers, as the amount of kids knocked over was about a entire primary schools worth even though less people had cars 40 years ago. After that the Government started taking a interest in transport, but we have got 4 decades to catch up in some English citie…
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