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  • Nimrod lol

    Cameron has the mistaken idea he can be “Thatcho 2.0” and talks a good fight but in reality isn’t worth half a handbag compared to the Iron Lady

    The only hope for this country (or any other country with a similarly dysfunctional leader) is that those with real power (i.e soldiers, cops, covert security agencies etc and other civil servants) can stop him doing anything too stupid, or are able to cope with the ensuing shitstorm which usually includes various forms of warfare.

    @Pat McDonald 491814 wrote:

    And it says an awful lot for the accuracy of WikiLeaks that Julian Assange’s website was taken off the WWW servers and forced to go underground by the US State Department.[/quote]

    they were simply a direct copy of cable / telegram traffic which would have been way more secure had it been transmitted via the old skool methods rather than any way what allowed it to leak to the public internet. The Yanks are to blame for their own cost cutting. Even during the cold war certain boffins I know what worked in the telecoms industry were shocked at how lax US practice security wise compared to UK and European practice. Remains of the old US comcens are dotted around East Anglia, not suprisingly near to the other aerodromes they used during the Cold War and subsequently abandoned (other than Lakenheath and Mildenhall)

    @NN~Gazatryptamine 491816 wrote:

    Nimrod lol

    its a very common name for police / military type things in this country simply because it sounds “hard” (ooer). bear in mind those in charge all went to single sex public schools.

    @General Lighting 491922 wrote:

    its a very common name for police / military type things in this country simply because it sounds “hard” (ooer). bear in mind those in charge all went to single sex public schools.

    Nimrod doesn’t sound hard, it sound n00bish and lame.

    Well these people would, as they spent there childhood bent over a table getting up the are from the bigger boys…..

    @NN~Gazatryptamine 491928 wrote:

    Nimrod doesn’t sound hard, it sound n00bish and lame.

    Judging a book by the cover is not regarded as smart, Mr Gazz. Actually what the MOD has is a list of random military names – somebody needs a name for a training exercise or whatever, they just hit the generate key and out pops a name from history (on in this case, the Bible).

    It’s less of a giveaway than calling it “Operation shoot the Shah’s crazy supporters in their own home and rescue people who aren’t dead yet.” Which is accurate but a bit of a mouthful.

    @General Lighting 491817 wrote:

    they were simply a direct copy of cable / telegram traffic which would have been way more secure had it been transmitted via the old skool methods rather than any way what allowed it to leak to the public internet. The Yanks are to blame for their own cost cutting.[/quote]

    Nah. Doesn’t matter how they’re transmitted – it depends on the people who are transmitting them either keeping their lips buttoned or thinking “You know, this really should be known by more people.”

    It is amazing how people are still prepared to whistleblow. It’s not the same league as strapping plastique to yourself and blowing up some “target” but it’s still a form of martyrdom and to be frank most people don’t actually give a shit about whistleblowers.

    To the ones who do care, fair enough, they put the money up for Assange’s bail and they’ve now lost the lot. UK government could argue that the extradition cost more, but only because the people involved (Judges, lawyers, and other wig wearers) don’t know how much a pound is really worth and really do think that their “justice” is worth the cost to the rest of society.

    What a crock. Once you appreciate how one confidance trickster operates, it makes you much more wary of those who claim “authority” and “power”.

    Assange has a certain amount of freedom. The cypher clerk who alledgely leaked is subject to military court martial and potentially the death penalty.

    nowadays the civillian services get their names randomly from some sort of dictionary or list and they bear no resemblance to the operations.

    For instance OP SUMAC – 2006 Ipswich sex workers murder investigation
    OP HAWK – 2007 rave in Suffolk Kings Forest busted and organisers charged, sent to prison

    ironically the operation names for metpols investigation of News International workers are all names of local places here many of which were commonly used for raves, (Elveden, Weeting etc) but that is just a coincidence..

    @Pat McDonald 491940 wrote:

    Nah. Doesn’t matter how they’re transmitted – it depends on the people who are transmitting them either keeping their lips buttoned or thinking “You know, this really should be known by more people.”

    It is amazing how people are still prepared to whistleblow. It’s not the same league as strapping plastique to yourself and blowing up some “target” but it’s still a form of martyrdom and to be frank most people don’t actually give a shit about whistleblowers.

    to some extent yes, and there is no such thing as total security but everyone has a price. And same as one persons terrorist is anothers irregular soldier/freedom fighter, one persons whistleblower or undercover agent fighting for “freedom” is anothers informer / grass.

    During the last war someone “blew the whistle” on Anne Frank and her family…. they got away, unpunished and unjudged at least for this crime.

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    Assange has a certain amount of freedom. The cypher clerk who alledgely leaked is subject to military court martial and potentially the death penalty.

    this is another even shittier side of what is going on. When it comes to freedom of expression, Ecuador isn’t much better than Blighty or the USA, its just that for whatever power games are going on it makes sense for them to tolerate Assange.

    ultimately it may all be a minor issue when we get (more) war, real war of some sort in our lifetimes – there are things like environmental issues and declining resources which are going to put more pressure on folk or are clearly already doing so anyway leading to the ongoing conflicts – in many cases its not as if people are simply fighting each other for no good reason or merely religion or because they like it.

    Even our last centuries history shows groups of otherwise very similar North European countries going to war with one another as much due to the aftermath of economic turmoil or disputes as being led by extremist political doctrines.

    @General Lighting 491783 wrote:

    Britain has stormed a foreign embassy before, when I was a boy (a lot of you probably weren’t born). the SAS were used, not metpol. but this was because terrorists had already stormed it first and taken hostages of the embassy staff and a British copper, and had killed a hostage. The SAS were successful in their objectives (they got most of the rest of the hostages released by killing the terrorists, one was riddled with multiple magazines full of bullets)

    Even then over the years there were many reprisals, led to anti-UK terrorists sharing skills and tactics leading to bombing campaigns that lasted the bulk of my adult life and ultimately cost British people a large chunk of their freedom and millions of pounds of taxpayers money, as well as pushed the world towards a more authoritarian type of government.

    to try and nick Assange (who has not committed any major crime on UK soil, I don’t think he even got that many British secrets because those spies/diplomats from UK with brains don’t trust flaky Yank comms systems) would look arse about face to say the least and make Britain even more unsafe. and it would be more stupidity than conspiracy but I wouldn’t put it past the current elected government…

    Shit I remember that, that was well bad … I remeber them all going in through the upstairs windows, there was a massive stand off for a day or so before and they were making demands but the sas just went in in the end.

    (I’m not sure if that was the news I’m remembering or a film lol >.< … It was a long time ago either way)

    it did all happen.

    The reason you might think it was a “film” would be more likely due to the era in which it happened – in the early 1980s because of union rules and other BBC and ITV policies, news was shot on 16mm movie film rather than portable video cameras and recorders.

    Although the Japanese had by then perfected the technology of this form of electronic news gathering, the unions did not like the idea of it reducing staff numbers and sending business (for the equipment) to Japan rather than European companies, plus the cameras and recorders weighed more than film kit. This factor is very important when you are filming stuff and people don’t what like it decide to shoot back with live rounds, or even “pelt the messenger” with bricks, stones etc.

    So most news of that era was shot on film until the mid to late 1980s (I think 1987 was the turning point). Film has a distinctive colour balance/gamma, which anyone below age 30 often associates now with fiction movies rather than news broadcasts.

    You talking about the Iranian embassy seige where old maggie sent in “her boys” to sort the job out and slaughtered men as they surrendered to them?

    yep that was the one. I doubt Cameroon would or could pull something like that off, he would try it on the cheap with G4S rentaguards :laugh_at:

    @General Lighting 491982 wrote:

    yep that was the one. I doubt Cameroon would or could pull something like that off, he would try it on the cheap with G4S rentaguards :laugh_at:

    Yeah man LOL could imagine DC and his G4S dudes coming to defuse the situation. get G4S to phone the police and get community support officers as first responders and still have to wait for the real police to turn up.

    @General Lighting 491982 wrote:

    yep that was the one. I doubt Cameroon would or could pull something like that off, he would try it on the cheap with G4S rentaguards :laugh_at:

    Well, bearing in mind “the real people” are rather busy not being noticed in Syria and similar, G4S might just have to fill the gap. 🙂

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