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@Iacchus 384877 wrote:

recent scientific developments are hypothesising that consciousness is a projection onto a special dimension. Everything we know about brain function doesnt even touch on the problem of dualism and its certainly feasible from a scientific point of view that everyone’s consciousness is a subsection of the same unit, or at least capable of inhabiting each others space if the ‘norm’ of brain function is modified.

good point, defenatly was not the word to use there. I currently believe would have been more suited. Interesting stuff Iacchus, what do you mean by dualism? dualism as opposed to monism (regarding consciousness)? Its tricky because conciousness doesn’t even have a singular definition, just lots of theory’s (as I am sure you know). How would science test empirically a “special dimension”? or indeed a shared consciousness? Science only deals with things we can measure so surly that is entering into philosophy?

Also, is this a mainstream theory or just a loan scientist/group of people? do you study psychology? I only did A level (and not very well at that, I blame pot)

sorry for all the questions but its the only way I’ll learn

@1984 384882 wrote:

good point, defenatly was not the word to use there. I currently believe would have been more suited. Interesting stuff Iacchus, what do you mean by dualism? Its tricky because conciousness doesn’t even have a singular definition, just lots of theory’s (as I am sure you know). How would science test empirically a “special dimension”? or indeed a shared consciousness? Science only deals with things we can measure so surly that is entering into philosophy?

By dualism i mean the concept that our mind at least appears to be separate from they physical universe as we know. Despite knowing to some extent what our brain is doing when we experience for example the colour red, this doesnt even begin to explain how we actually have the feeling (aka ‘qualia’) of redness. It’s beyond anything we know about science, consciousness is a massive mystery.

Also anyone who has done dissociates has at least experienced their mind rocketing away from their body, so where our consciousness ‘sits’ isnt always necessarily where our brain is. Hence me being quite interested to hear that scientists are looking at the idea that our consciousness sits outside the regular 4 dimensions of the universe.

As for testing it, I couldnt say, I doubt we could devise tests in the near future but before we get that far we need some theories, most study into the brain is feeling in the dark at the moment so we need to make do and yes you could just consider it philoposhy, on the other hand things like string theory are untestable and we still consider them the realms of science.

Fair enough taking the stand that until proven otherwise we should default to believing that consciousness is a singular unit, and that it is nothing more than electrical signals in our brain (ie materialism, the opposite of dualism).
However I think there is something deeply profound and mysterious about consciousness. Especially with the discoveries of quantum physics, that our observations of the universe shape the nature of reality (even if only on a quantum level as far as we know so far). To me this implies that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe and not just something that has accidently arisen out of the universe.

@Iacchus 384888 wrote:

By dualism i mean the concept that our mind at least appears to be separate from they physical universe as we know. Despite knowing to some extent what our brain is doing when we experience for example the colour red, this doesnt even begin to explain how we actually have the feeling (aka ‘qualia’) of redness. It’s beyond anything we know about science, consciousness is a massive mystery.

I have no idea what you mean (not to suggest that is a fault of your theory, but of my own understanding) by ‘feeling’ of red, are you saying that its subjective? I agree there’s a lot left to learn about consciousness but then you could say that about most things in the world, we are so young.

Also anyone who has done dissociates has at least experienced their mind rocketing away from their body, so where our consciousness ‘sits’ isnt always necessarily where our brain is. Hence me being quite interested to hear that scientists are looking at the idea that our consciousness sits outside the regular 4 dimensions of the universe.

disassociates to me seem to simply be a trick of the drug, a change in perception, it seems totally illogical to me to say that that is proof of conciousness not being a function of the brain. We know the dissociative drug is affecting the brain, so if the perception of conciousness is changed due to an affect of the drug, is that not suggesting that it is simply a function of the brain? I dont see how it suggests the reverse at all.

As for testing it, I couldnt say, I doubt we could devise tests in the near future but before we get that far we need some theories, most study into the brain is feeling in the dark at the moment so we need to make do and yes you could just consider it philoposhy, on the other hand things like string theory are untestable and we still consider them the realms of science.

Fair enough taking the stand that until proven otherwise we should default to believing that consciousness is a singular unit, and that it is nothing more than electrical signals in our brain (ie materialism, the opposite of dualism).
However I think there is something deeply profound and mysterious about consciousness. Especially with the discoveries of quantum physics, that our observations of the universe shape the nature of reality (even if only on a quantum level as far as we know so far). To me this implies that consciousness is a fundamental property of the universe and not just something that has accidently arisen out of the universe.

I would have thought consciousness is a product of evolution. Our chats always make me crave lying back in a field in the sun with goods mates a couple too many beers putting the world to rights. love it!

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@process 384896 wrote:

book im reading at the moment by deepak chopra – syncrodestiny is just dealing with this exact subject. ill have a look see if i can find the diagram that he’s got in the book. if i cant ill draw it up and paste it when ive got a chance…

hold on…

Chopra has been criticized for his frequent references to the relationship of quantum mechanics to healing processes, a connection that has drawn skepticism from physicists who say it can be considered as contributing to the general confusion in the popular press regarding quantum measurement, decoherence and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle

According to a 2010 article, Chopra was largely responsible for popularizing Transcendental Meditation and has “been dubbed ‘McMeditation'” by some critics because of the “multimillion-dollar profits” he has generated from the publication of his books and DVDs as well as the six-day, $2,500 wellness programs at his Chopra Center for Well Being. In the same article he apologizes for causing the 2010 Baja California earthquake by meditating on Shiva.

According to a 2008 article in Time (magazine), Chopra is “a magnet for criticism” primarily from the scientific and medical communities. Some critics say that Chopra creates a false sense of hope in sick individuals which may keep them away from traditional medical care

he sounds dodgy as fuck man!

@process 384905 wrote:

yeah fair play id not read that. he has got some pretty out there theories. but he’s also got some very interesting ones and the way he explains some of his theories makes sense to me when i can get my head around it that is. im not saying all he says is bang on, but you shouldnt discount all he says, just because of that. same with david icke. ive listened to some of what he says and a lot is really interesting and eye opening, but then he starts going on about lizard people taking over the world and im back to square one as i dont know where the truth ends and the bullshit starts. guess its just a matter of reading, watching and speaking to as many people as possible and then making up your own mind on the subject.

Good point man, I didn’t mean to rubbish it all, I suck socially. Never hurts to learn from as many different perspectives as possible, I should give it a watch myself later.

@process 384909 wrote:

no worries mate, you didnt cause any offence. 🙂

cheers man