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Anyone been looking into this? Now some might brand me a right winger (which of course is bullshit) but i’m all for these new reforms. I’m fed up of people cheating the system (Around here, theres fucking loads of em so i know what im on about :wink:) The way i see it is if you can work then fucking work, If i have to go to work (i actually like working ) and contribute to this country then others should have to as well. fair enough if one genuinely cannot work but i think we definitely need a change tbh.
These reforms won’t actually apply until 2010, hopefully when the country is out of recession and jobs are easy to get again but the changes do need to happen imo. Anyone agree with these changes? :love:
weell… is this perhaps another story about government plans that are launched soundin really tough, so that when the actual bills (first the consultation stage, the green paper, and then the actual bill, the white paper) are introduced, slightly less harsh measures are more readily accepted by all the interested parties.
I think people who are not even trying to help themselves ought to be dealt with proportionately, in the same way as fat cat businessmen using ‘liberal’ interpretations of the tax laws to their advantage, or hiding there money in offshore tax havens, ought to be brought to book.
But basically i agree, people ought to try and find work, rather than just sponging. Disability benefit is certainly relatively badly policed.
It wouldnt be so bad if there were not so many other areas that were crying out for public money. Education, the NHS, care of the elderly etc.
if you tighten welfare laws you may get rid of 19 out of 20 fakers who just cant be arsed
but you will inevitably hurt that one person who does genuinely need it
it depends whether thats worth it.
while there are some people who have been put on incapacity benefit (when the government wanted to make it look like unemployment was falling) who probably could work, the rules for claiming it now are very tough and the system doesn’t help those who try to improve their situation by trying to get back into work.
I work with loads of people who are on incapacity or disability benefit who have never worked but would love the opportunity. We support them by helping the to get into volunteering as a way of building their skills. One of the reforms the government is bringing in is to force any one on incapacity to pick litter and clean off graffiti. While that might put of people who are abusing the system it will actually prevent the vast majority of claimants to move on with their lives.
And that’s the rub, the vast majority of vulnerable people who genuinely need help will have their lives made even worse by this.
BBC NEWS | Politics | Claiming benefits: Your stories
some good case studies there… should those people be forced to do menial jobs for the benefits??
When I left Devon,there were somewhere in the region of 200,000 unemployed with 20,000 available jobs,assuming the situation hasnt got worse,with 180,000 people picking up rubbish and cleaning graffitti Devon will bevery very clean.
I agree sponging is not on,but neither are draconian reforms, as mentioned above they invariably wind up hurting those that they are supposed to protect,In my humble opinion of course
Or perhaps the government can give them a chicken each,and they can all become farmers.
any “work schemes” should IMO be confined to the able bodied – clearly you can’t have people with no arms/legs or what are ill out on the street trash picking!
They should be direct assistance to the public sector (such things as janitorial duties in NHS facilities) rather than some of the plans for private companies to administer this…
here in Ipswich there are a fair few council employed staff who do a very good job of litter picking, and a scheme like this would threaten their jobs by undercutting them – however the local hospital has a problem with MRSA etc which could easily be combated by getting extra people to clean the wards more often…
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong. If someone cannot genuinely work then i have no problem with them. Hopefully common sense should rule in these cases and those that truly need benefits continue to recieve them.
What annoys me is those that can but choose not to. Round here theres loads of people like that. I know several that can’t be arsed to work and complain about the amount of money they get from beneifts.
One lad i know is in his early twenties, hasn’t worked a day in his life and moans constantly about how he gets fuck all from the state. he has even gone as far to say that just because he was born here then the country owes him. Needless to say i hate the prick. It’s people like this that need sorting out imo.
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@DJCliffy 250200 wrote:
Oh yeah don’t get me wrong. If someone cannot genuinely work then i have no problem with them. Hopefully common sense should rule in these cases and those that truly need benefits continue to recieve them.
What annoys me is those that can but choose not to. Round here theres loads of people like that. I know several that can’t be arsed to work and complain about the amount of money they get from beneifts. [/quote]errr.. common sense and govt reform in the same sentance.
these reforms need to be stopped. there is no allowance for common sense or protection from harm built into them. the implications are actually humiliation and torment for the most vulnerable people in society
Haha when you put it like that it does seem a bit out there! :weee:
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