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March 20, 2008 at 11:32 am

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spangle

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OK so I just got a new passport through, and the leaflet says its a new biometric passport with an electronic chip and an antenna on the back page – what’s the use of the antenna this don’t mean they can track me with it or something stupid?! Or am I being paranoid :you_crazy
March 20, 2008 at 11:34 am

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lilmstrixta

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they have scanners they scan the chip and it brings detail up on there computer i think its to stamp out fake passports as how would they get the chip on the back onto the system.
i think thats right.
March 20, 2008 at 11:56 am

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lilmstrixta wrote:

they have scanners they scan the chip and it brings detail up on there computer i think its to stamp out fake passports as how would they get the chip on the back onto the system.
i think thats right.

Yeh I get that with the chip to stop forgery etc, but it doesn’t say anywhere why they need an antenna as well, which I thought is usually for transmitting or receiving radio signals
March 20, 2008 at 12:19 pm

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lilmstrixta

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if that is the case its kinda freaky lol
but surely that is a bit extream?
March 20, 2008 at 2:01 pm

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General Lighting

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the reader transmits a carrier wave to the antenna in the passport.

Some of the electricity from this is picked up by the antenna and converted into DC power to activate the chip.

The antenna then reflects the wave (with the data from the chip superimposed) back to the reading device.

The antenna for a passport is large because it needs to also pick up enougn electricity to power the chip and transmit what is a fair amount of data (otherwise it would need a battery in the passport)

The range of the system can be up to 10 metres away, but it would be difficult to track people at other than defined checkpoints and would require equipment at each tracking point and a way of collating all this data…

these chips turn up in all sorts of stuff other than passports, and often go unnoticed as many are much smaller..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID
March 20, 2008 at 3:19 pm

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Its just more state control! Easy option is a swift bang with a blunt object onto the chip. Game over biometric passport! Though 99.9999999999% of British people are to scared to do this and are happy to give away there freedoms.
March 20, 2008 at 3:27 pm

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JonnyQuest

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MrAHC wrote:

Its just more state control! Easy option is a swift bang with a blunt object onto the chip. Game over biometric passport! Though 99.9999999999% of British people are to scared to do this and are happy to give away there freedoms.

so u can still leave the country if tis broken? cause i dropped my passport in a pint
March 20, 2008 at 3:41 pm

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JonnyQuest wrote:

so u can still leave the country if tis broken? cause i dropped my passport in a pint

Provided the passport is otherwise valid there currently isn’t any requirement to have an active RFID passport to enter most countries..

many older people will not have one anyway, nor those who are from foreign nations with permanent visas..an immigration checkpoint in a developing country may be less likely to have the hardware than the more modern nations anyway…
March 20, 2008 at 3:58 pm

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JonnyQuest wrote:

so u can still leave the country if tis broken? cause i dropped my passport in a pint

so long as your passport is valid a broken chip is ok. they dont have a long lifespan anyway. most of my mates passports have broken chips there just so clumsy 😉
March 20, 2008 at 4:15 pm

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JonnyQuest

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excelent , fuck the system
March 20, 2008 at 4:37 pm

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actually chip and pin bank cards are also prone to failure if they are used for “other purposes” :wink:, in the days when I used to do ketamine I always had to use a non-chip card to avoid delays/hassle at the checkouts..

what is more concerning is that at least some RFID passports (particularly the first one which was issued by Malaysia) appear to have a flash memory on them which can be used to store info

It is not stated whether a British one can do this and doubtless it would be denied, however Malaysia is a Commonwealth country (i.e ex British Empire) with identical Government procedures to the UK

of course when you go to a foreign country (well outside EU anyway) the officials stamp your passport, but you can see what is there, this is not the case with a change to the electronic data… :yakk:
March 21, 2008 at 12:22 am

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Raj

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You can shield the chips by having the passport wrapped in thick metal foil if they are like any other RF. That will stop the data being readable till you open the foil wrapping. Passport tin anyone? :crazy_fre It would help you keep it dry too :sign0020:
March 21, 2008 at 10:53 am

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Raj wrote:

You can shield the chips by having the passport wrapped in thick metal foil if they are like any other RF. That will stop the data being readable till you open the foil wrapping. Passport tin anyone? :crazy_fre It would help you keep it dry too :sign0020:

go for the blunt object option its more fun n less hastle.:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:
March 21, 2008 at 12:23 pm

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Microwave for a couple of seconds would probably do the trick to…

They are on about putting RFiD chips in motorbike reg plates.. this would be microwaved if they do 😉
March 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm

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spangle

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General Lighting wrote:

actually chip and pin bank cards are also prone to failure if they are used for “other purposes” :wink:, in the days when I used to do ketamine I always had to use a non-chip card to avoid delays/hassle at the checkouts..

I have that problem all the time, am on my 6th bank card atm n need a new one again they break way too easy! Was a bit embarrassing went to pay for some fags on card the other day n the guy behind the counter stood there wiping the powder off the chip coz it wouldn’t work, I then produced a rolled up note n powder fell out of that too I don’t think he was very impressed!

As for the passport I managed to drop it under someone’s foot, what an idiot..
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