bk-PMMA vs 4-mmc -What IS the difference?

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January 19, 2010 at 10:29 am

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olboy

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Are there any Chemists in the house? I’m confused… Google is throwing up lots of conflicting information and I NEED clarification. Knowledge is power!

Come on you lot, who knows the difference. Do suppliers know the difference? That’s probably more important. I’m pretty sure I’ve had bk-PMMA sold as 4-mmc before.

My guess so far:

4-mmc = Mephedrone (with a “ph”) Stimulant + mild euphoria + Memory loss

bk-PMMA = Methedrone (with a “th”) Stimulant + stronger euphoria + Memory loss + Shutter eyes + Come down = okay but shadow of self for 18hrs (tempting to re-dose to feel right)

Neither appear to give physical dependency issues if go cold turkey
Both probably give psychological dependency issues, but not as bad as charlie IMO
January 19, 2010 at 11:08 am

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bk-PMMA is more toxic. folllowing Sweden banning 4-MMC but not bk-PMMA this stuff took over the market and more people died. I would not be surprised if the packages are getting mixed up (also methylone (M1) is also confused but this is rarer as the stuff is more expensive).

The street name “MDMC” is being used for all three of these substances in East Anglia.

I would heed the warnings of the other dude recommending 600mg-1g as a maximum dose, especially with this confusion.

that said, IMO memory “loss” from stimulant use is merely due to sleep deprivation and is reversible. in 2002 and from 2007 onwards I was able to recall some fairly advanced stuff to do with Unix/Linux-based computers that I first learned about in 1991/2 during a time of relatively heavy MDMA use.
January 19, 2010 at 11:33 am

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olboy

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Cheers for that.

@General Lighting 369568 wrote:

IMO memory “loss” from stimulant use is merely due to sleep deprivation and is reversible. in 2002 and from 2007 onwards I was able to recall some fairly advanced stuff to do with Unix/Linux-based computers that I first learned about in 1991/2 during a time of relatively heavy MDMA use.

Yeah, it is deffo reversible. I suffered from loss of memory during the period that I was using mephe including when I wasn’t actually high on it.

It wasn’t related to sleep depravation tho’ as I was always careful to have enough sleep (8hr a night) as I didn’t want to suffer any unwanted psychosis problems.

but after a week completely off it I am finding that the stuff that was in my brain is still there :weee: YAY
January 19, 2010 at 11:40 am

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@olboy 369570 wrote:

Cheers for that.
It wasn’t related to sleep depravation tho’ as I was always careful to have enough sleep (8hr a night) as I didn’t want to suffer any unwanted psychosis problems.

even if you think are getting enough sleep the combined residual effects of the stimulants and any other drugs such as alcohol or benzodiazepines you may take to get rest change your sleep patterns and reduce the amount of actual sleep you get.

even without doing drugs a few sleepless nights or working long hours can affect your brain and memory capacity…
January 19, 2010 at 11:53 am

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olboy

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@General Lighting 369571 wrote:

even without doing drugs a few sleepless nights or working long hours can affect your brain and memory capacity…

Hmmm, maybe I should go for some kind og self-induced coma for a couple of weeks… I’d be able to remember things like being born then 😉
January 20, 2010 at 5:03 pm

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Buzz

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whats the difference?

who cares? they are both shit and rediculously bad for you.
January 20, 2010 at 9:01 pm

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@Buzz 369722 wrote:

who cares? they are both shit and rediculously bad for you.

+1.
January 21, 2010 at 12:39 am

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p0ly

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all these stimulants are pretty much the same thing with little differences eg duration, dose.
January 31, 2011 at 4:35 pm

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Ehhh since july 12 people have died of PMMA in Norway…and further 22 people have permanent damages from it….from july to september 6 died, then ‘folkehelseinstituttet’ (public-health-institute) went out with a general warning, but that didnt save the six more that died from it….sometimes I cant help ask me self; WTF is wrong with good ole mdma?

Take care out there!
January 31, 2011 at 6:13 pm

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p0ly

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@!sinner69! 418196 wrote:

; WTF is wrong with good ole mdma?

Avalibility and legality.
January 31, 2011 at 9:02 pm

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Gasoline is legal, you dont sniff that do you?
January 31, 2011 at 10:05 pm

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p0ly

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I prefer 4-MMC to MDMA. It’s my personal preference, i can’t help the way i feel.

4-MMC is very euphoric and it was legal when there was FUCK ALL MDMA to be found. That’s why these drugs were used.
January 31, 2011 at 10:17 pm

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ok…you have a point there but it worries me that with the knowledge of that you risk your life for a weekendbender, that they(the youngsters of Norway) do not sort them selves out with some good drugs… Its sold as e’s or in powder as amf…ten years ago there was a wave of drug related deaths in the east…it was PMMA and it took most of the summer before it was stopped….I look at this that it is the probition that kills them, if they had known they probably would have been here now….
January 31, 2011 at 10:20 pm

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General Lighting

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yes it is prohibition that kills them but right-wing authorities across Europe know this and let it happen as it reinforces their “drugs are bad” stance.

In UK around 2008-2009 there was a health scare in some areas due to people bingeing on MDMA in 2006-2007 and thats what caused the drought (our national police SOCA and the Border Agency busted load of it) and that lead to mephedrone becomeing popular. before 2009 no one really was that interested in mephedrone. Then it was fucking everywhere, until people did such quantities they again land up in hospital.

Also how many dealers will risk 10 years prison to give their punters a good buzz, when they could just get 18 months or even probation for the less highly classified substances, even if they are more dangerous? With prohibition the risk is passed to the user anyway…

I think sometimes authorities are smarter and more devious than we think they are, they stay stubborn and make the youths play russian roulette with their lives as life is cheap even in Europe..
January 31, 2011 at 10:29 pm

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p0ly

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PMA has always been known to be a deadly substance, people should research before they take this crap. I know BK-PMMA is a cathinone version of PMA but just the fact it’s a PMA type cathinone is enough to put anyone with a basic knowledge of contaminated/bad uppers.
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