Party Vibe

All the signs point to this being done by hardliners in order to stir the pot and create more conflict/violence.

now some of the weaker fascists can also claim they are “victims” especially if people attack them – the stronger ones will probably already have been prepared for violence and be looking forward to the fights.

Also look at it this way..lots of us have got in trouble with the police for fairly minor stuff and got cautions. As you know, unlike going before the beak your name and address does not get published, nor do the press know unless you are a celeb or part of royal family.

A lot of right wingers think this is way too lenient a penalty.

lets say some disaffected IT bod working for the feds managed to steal (despite high security) a load of data on people what had got cautions and published this online. How would we feel about it?

TBH I hate treachery more than I do fascism! The people what done this are genuinely dangerous, more so than the “normal” BNP, as they are prepared to work deep cover

This incident might scare a few more cowardly ones but some people will defend their views, same as how people here tried to defend the rave scene against immense opposition. I don’t think this is a positive thing in the long term….

It also comes in the wake of that utterly failed bomb attempt which makes it a bit more chilling – I wouldn’t be surprised if there were links and this is a way of regaining lost pride

unfortunately I think the cleverer and more devious people hide their views as much as possible until they can use them to influence decisions, which is why well run public sector organisations tend to make two people with opposing personalities work together (although this can totally stall progress)

the real problem will occur when these people reach management grades with no other decision maker. for instance whilst a normal firefighter in the BNP may be no big deal, if it were a control room supervisor with authority to grade jobs, it could result in a burning mosque being graded below a already stolen and trashed car on fire (and the fact the imam went back in there to try and recover the Koran being “overlooked”) , within the NHS it could be even more chilling what they could do (giving minorities lesser priority treatment), although I suspect it would be very hard for a entrenched racist to stomach more than 5 minutes in most NHS environments.

but what if someone holds these views but never mentions them, doesn’t join the BNP but still carries out these acts?

the wider issue is that the real reason the BNP is so popular isn’t because a greater number of knuckle dragging football thugs but because people are hardening their views out of anger because even the traditional centre right parties are viewed as “too liberal” these days.

If there was such a thing as human decency the BNP wouldn’t have to exist in the first place.

it isn’t but they won’t change their views until removed from power, and I fear this incident is more of a distraction engineered by these types what could and will set ordinary people against one another….