Party Vibe

I’d expect two blokes several years my senior to be experienced, setting up a illegal rave is not the sort of thing a 40-something bloke with no previous experience just decides to do on a whim and if he did the backlash would be so immense he’d probably end up in jail as a warning to others.

they fucked up because they thought they were above the law and in that area the last thing the whole region needs is men of that age thinking the law doesn’t apply to them.

the cop didn’t explain himself that well (or the media didn’t give a decent opportunity to do so) but I’ve been reading up on the area – because of wider issues (class A drugs, gangs, racial tension, postcode rivalries) what could be a friendly party could just as easily erupt into a flashpoint where people get hurt. This is what they mean by “rise in violent crime”)

if not by this crew by another younger crew doing a party and not taking these things into account.

I know it might sound a bit “regionalist” coming from a Southerner but there are extra issues in deprived Northern areas which can make any large male-dominated gathering particularly unsafe. Not everyone who might be attracted is a fluffy hippy. In fact I’d say the same applies (to a lesser exent) to Peterborough and North Norfolk, which aren’t that far away from Yorks and Lancs.

@Minghead 401943 wrote:

I dont think age has anything to do with it to be honest mate, i know teenagers who can pull of a party with milatary precision! and i know middle aged people who cant & vice versa,

Ironically if it had been teenagers even it had gone tits up they’d in fact be more likely to have been left to pack up and disperse – provided they weren’t stupid enough to immediately set up again would have been given a chance!

This happened in Colchester 20 miles away from me in the strongest of East Anglia’s zero tolerance areas, and again in Suffolk a few months ago. Their party organisation skills aren’t really the issue here – more that people in their 40s are supposed to have matured to their point they obey the law or face the consequences – so for a older pair it would make sense to be more discreet. Men that age and other grown adults don’t hang around car parks in remote areas unless they are doing crime or comitting other deviant sexual behaviour, whilst its at least accepted more that teenagers might roam the streets and go around exploring.

The amount of the fine was also significant as its virtually the same as the application fee for a license.

As far as social problems, the rest of society (not just cops) don’t make the distinction between glastonbury, V, a townie pub or an illegal rave. They don’t care and they don’t have to. Either people at social events behave nicely and are left alone, or they don’t and the event is either closed down or restricted more and the costs passed back to the punters as its not acceptable to pass it to non-participants.

there isn’t a “anti-fun” conspiracy, the real reason night time events (legal ones too) get restricted is because at even the “friendly” ones incidents of violence and overdoses are increasing. A lot of this is indeed due to people misjudging the effects of mephedrone etc in recent times and not being able to control their own impulsive behaviour, but the responsibility for good behaviour remains with the punters.

at nearly every dance music event I’ve been to since 2005 there has been incidents of violence – they have become no better than crap townie places, just with drugs and beter music. All licensed premises are also under review and the entire late night economy might be restricted by the new government if there isn’t a drop in violent incidents. Even the argument that legal venues pay taxes isn’t holding water as the cost of clearing up the problems outweighs the taxes they bring in.

because of cuts/efficiencies (the police/public sector have them all them time) there actually isn’t a specialist “rave squad” as such. Its the same cops what patrol the nightlife economy and deal with any anti-social behaviour so its obvious to them and those who monitor them (including police authority, council and NHS) where the problems are.

to an extent, but even animals can behave relatively well in groups (like the cat rave I found on that wildlife film) when they are in a area with abundant resources and no threats (which is what a rave should be)

plus that party was exposed to the malign influence of being near Bolton. I’ve met loads of proud Northerners of all backgrounds and races over the last 20 years and none of them have had a good word to say for Bolton. According to them even Wigan seems to be a better place.

there was even that twitter thing where GMP put all their crimes on twitter and Bolton came out with the most reports…