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    BRITISH Government plans for the surveillance of all children
    including information on whether they eat five portions of fruit and vegetables a day, have been condemned as a Big Brother system.

    Experts say it is the biggest state intrusion into the role of parents in history.

    Changes are being introduced after the death of a girl from abuse. They include a database tracking all 12 million children in England and Wales from birth.

    The Government expects the program to be operating within two years.
    But critics say the electronic files will undermine family privacy and destroy the confidentiality of medical, social work and legal records.

    Doctors, schools and the police will have to alert the database to a wide range of “concerns”. Two warning flags on a child’s record could start an investigation.

    There will also be a system of targets and performance indicators for children’s development. Children’s services have been told to work together to make sure targets are met.

    Child-care academics, practitioners and policy experts attending a conference at the London School of Economics will express concern about how the system will work.

    Dr Eileen Munro, an expert on child protection, said that if a child caused concern by failing to make progress towards state targets, detailed information would be gathered.

    That would include subjective judgements such as “is the parent providing a positive role model?”, as well as sensitive information such as a parent’s mental health.

    “They include consuming five portions of fruit and veg a day, which I am baffled how they will measure,” she said. “The country is moving from the traditional ‘parents are free to bring children up as they think best as long as they are not abusive or neglectful’ to a more coercive ‘parents must bring children up to conform to the state’s views of what is best’.”

    The Children Act 2004 gave the Government the powers to create the database.

    The potential for investigations by social services or the police into thousands of children and their families for “innocuous” reasons has alarmed many experts.

    “When you are looking for a needle in a haystack, is it necessary to keep building bigger haystacks?” said Jonathan Bamford, the assistant commissioner at the Information Commissioner’s office.

    Keeping check on 12 million children, when the justification for the database was that 3 million or 4 million were in some way “at risk”, was “not proportionate”, he said.

    We got off lightly up here – they normally trial this kind of stuff in Scotland and they havent :weee:

    Its crazy to have this kind of surveillance – these kids will grow up having beeen snooped on everyday of their lives :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    [Oh wait – I see a possible reason – if you are used to having no civil liberties you think its normal – come back the Stazi: all is forgiven and you didnt go far enough for these people:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy]

    once upon a time the internet was the information super highway taking us to freedom. now its just the net and weve all been caught in it

    Raj wrote:
    Its crazy to have this kind of surveillance – these kids will grow up having beeen snooped on everyday of their lives :you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy

    [Oh wait – I see a possible reason – if you are used to having no civil liberties you think its normal – come back the Stazi: all is forgiven and you didnt go far enough for these people:you_crazy:you_crazy:you_crazy]

    yes, and how will they know if the kids are eating “5 a day” etc……by encouraging them to grass on their parents.

    In a similar vein Doctors have now been asked to inform the government of any patients writing to opt out of being on the new NHS database, a request which the GMC has said will put doctors in breach of patient confidentiality. Why do they need this information – to identify the people who dont just jump to every government whim perhaps?

    I think the problem isn’t just with the government but with a lot of (perhaps up to half?) the population of this country..

    there should by rights be protests about these things; they do happen but the turnout is rather low and the people who take part in them are themselves subject to being labelled as “whinging troublemakers” not just by cops/MI5 etc but by Middle England..

    I can’t believe people are that fucking naive in 2006; perhaps the truth is that many are perfectly prepared to accept a more authoritarian form of government provide the middle england lifestyle is preserved; having perhaps looked at the situation in other countries (particularly the richer Commonwealth countries where they have a “British” style government but more social control).

    I find it very ominous when you hear Tony Blair, business leaders and a lot of middle class types saying “Britain needs to compete with and learn from the Asian nations”…

    In these countries there is less freedom of expression – but – the people who conform aren’t exactly living in poverty and they actually have a great deal of economic power over the other countries with less controlled societies – for instance Singapore has a lot of clout in SE Asia despite being geographically a tiny nation..

    Essentially people have attached a market value to freedom, and decided to trade it off against economic success and the preservation of the current consumer society..

    This is getting insane. Te amount of surviellance we undergo day each at the present is more than enough. But to keep instensifying in ways like this suggested by the government really cares me about our own and our childrens future.

    Name one sort of government surveillance that hasnt instensified dramactically in the last 5 years!??

    :wtf: —We are in danger of sleep walking into a big brother society—:wtf:

    The average person in the street is more than happy to give up there civil liberties if it ‘helps’ the government improve the way they run this country. :you_crazy

    Did you knpw that even if figures have shown that crime has gone down in places that have had bad crime rates they dont tell you about the crime that has gone up in other places in the same town/ city with less cctv. Surviellance doesnt solve crime its the REAL people on the street and behind decks doin the paper work that do.

    How long is it gonna be before our government deems this idea as a good one once there database has grown to such a size of power and there enough excess tax payers money to fund such a project?

    Whenever I hear of MORE stories like this it gives me a very unsettled feeling in my stomach; and I say more because I have already seen other instants in the paper of surveillance in many forms increasing in a invisable infrastructure within our society.

    A great man once said ‘ Get up stand up, Stand up for your rights’ :bounce_ci

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