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indeed, commuter belt
surrounded by city wankers
however I have moved around and found the place with the most community spirit and ‘green’ awareness was when I lived in Gloster, and I have friends in manchester, suffolk, sheffield and devon who descibe it as similar to what I experienced there,
I think central london is better than where I am, as they seem to be more clued up and active..
you can but try eh? 😉
He does that and its bloody anoying, but dispite his big words & that rethric stuff I happen to agree with him on most of his points. I’m also dissapointed!
as harsh as it sounds its got to the stage where if the teens/young adults aren’t bothered I don’t care either. They can sit on their arses snorting K until the trade routes with Asia get too locked down and if they turn to more crime/dysfunctional behaviour the feds will be waiting to deal with them..
but As I said all the older lot here are bang on it with changing their lifestyles, the young children are too, it may sound callous but there’s enough people around to write off a generation (although I do suspect a lot of the youths will see sense at the last minute) – TBH at the worst case most of them will just find themselves having to dig government run fields or repair roads for their dole money, its not gonna be some tinfoil helmet conspiracy scenario..
in September 364 babies were born at Ipswich hospital (amazingly and this is a big credit to the NHS they coped with it 100%, didn’t go on alert or anything…) – if these kids follow in the footsteps of the junior school kids today there is still a lot of hope left..
I regularly go for buy nothing days – we go for a walk with the dogs and stuff
in fact I get very grumpy when my buy nothing days get ruined. Means I miss out on family time.
The folks I work with have been getting a RRR education since I joined them – I have made them all much more aware of the amount of waste the office was producing and the paper consumption is dramatically reduced now. And the sys op at our work is a keen pc waste reducer – we work on PCs considered obsolete in the modern workplace :weee:
Mostly the education is achieved by showing them how it is done and making them aware of how much they were wasting needlessly. They soon got the idea raaa
yeah, i think they have nuclear plants on small bits of land that jut into belgium! :laugh_at:
but i’d rather glow in the dark than take my chances with global warming, imho! 😉 james hansen is quite keen on a type of ‘upgraded’ nuclear, i think its called ‘fourth generation’, and produces v little waste. of course no one has it up and running, a bit like the much vaunted ‘carbon capture and storage’ systems that give that much advertised holy grail, ‘clean coal’!
altho i’d prefer nuclear power to climate change armageddon, my feeling is that Amory Lovins is right, and the most efficient way to spend our money is on a massive push on renewables and energy efficiency. Solar power particularly, seems to be moving forward at a rate of knots.
here is a snappy interview with Amory Lovins from the Gaurdian
The US can cut its oil imports to zero by 2040, eliminate oil use entirely by 2050, and make money. What’s stopping us? Well, as Marshall McLuhan said: ‘Only puny secrets need protection. Big discoveries are protected by public incredulity.’
I’m not an environmentalist. I’m a cultural repairman. It’s all about efficient and restorative use of resources to make the world secure, prosperous and life-sustaining.
I am a man without a furnace. My windows are insulated by 19 sheets of glass which cost less than installing a heating system. I have harvested 28 crops from my indoor banana plants, all grown in a house at 2,200 metres elevation, with outdoor temperatures down to -44C.
Rocky Mountain Institute now works with upwards of 10 of the world’s top 50 brand names, such as WalMart. Many of those companies now have business strategies so radical you’d mistake them for being written by Greenpeace activists.
There’s no reason that energy policy need be a multiple-choice test asking: Would you prefer to die from a) climate change, b) oil wars, or c) a nuclear holocaust? I choose d) none of the above.
The US’s electric bill could be halved through energy-efficiency measures and renewables that would mostly pay for themselves in a year. That’s not a free lunch. It’s a lunch you’re paid to eat.
Progress is being made. The US has cut by half the total amount of energy used to make a dollar of GDP. It has cut oil use per dollar by 54 per cent and electricity use by 17 per cent. The UK has started to think about ways of catching up.
The markets make a good servant but a bad master, and a worse religion.
Public discourse about climate change has resulted in the erroneous idea that it’s all about cost, burden and sacrifice. If the math was correct, everyone would see it’s about profit, jobs and competitive advantage. Smart companies have figured this out and are making billions.
I hang my laundry in a room with a glass ceiling and it dries by nightfall. Two days for jeans.
Every investment in nuclear expansion will worsen climate change by buying less solution per dollar. That’s as dumb as a possum.
I lived in the UK for 14 years until 1981 and never needed a car. Last time I went back I did, because the rail links weren’t as good. But I was very pleased by the revival of the Welsh language.
I’m a practitioner of elegant frugality. I don’t feel comfortable telling other people what to do, so I just try and lead by example.
‘Eat more lamb – 50,000 coyotes can’t be wrong.’ That’s the bumper sticker on my Honda Insight. The meat in our freezer is from 20km up the road and made only from organic grass.
A nega-watt is a watt of electricity that does not have to be generated because an energy-saving measure has obviated the need for it. Replace a 75-watt incandescent light bulb with a 14-watt compact fluorescent bulb and you produce 61 nega-watts.
My way of dealing with doom-mongers is to let the person talk for a while and then I ask, gently: ‘Does feeling this way make you more effective?’
I am concerned at the amount I have to fly. I do more and more of my lectures by internet videoconference. That way I just ship the electrons and leave the heavy nuclei at home.
We will soon discover whether this bold evolutionary experiment of combining a large forebrain with opposable thumbs was really a good idea. Over the next decade, our species takes its university finals. Get revising.
however I have moved around and found the place with the most community spirit and ‘green’ awareness was when I lived in Gloster, and I have friends in manchester, suffolk, sheffield and devon who descibe it as similar to what I experienced there,
I think central london is better than where I am, as they seem to be more clued up and active..
you can but try eh? 😉
i think its worth pointing out that we cannot all live in some rural idyll, there simply isnt the room. cities are more environmentally efficient, i think!
i’ll find u some detail on that if u like…
Manchester isn’t exactly a rural idyll.
Nor are many parts of Suffolk – Ipswich (which I have found to be particularly good at eco-awareness) is a large town/aspiring city (not at all dissimilar to Reading which I moved from 3 years ago!), and Felixstowe, Lowestoft and Stowmarket are also urbanised.
Despite the larger size of Suffolk (compared to London or Reading where I previously lived), it is actually surprisingly easy to survive without a car if you live in Ipswich.
Cities and towns can be efficient, but it requires input and support from residents. TBH I think the problem isn’t so much getting the message out to our age groups but people like young couples/new parents what don’t have time or inclination to read sites like this or “right on” activist stuff, and who are actually reluctantly leaving the party scene as the pressures of parenting start to kick in…
The folks I work with have been getting a RRR education since I joined them – I have made them all much more aware of the amount of waste the office was producing and the paper consumption is dramatically reduced now. And the sys op at our work is a keen pc waste reducer – we work on PCs considered obsolete in the modern workplace :weee:
Mostly the education is achieved by showing them how it is done and making them aware of how much they were wasting needlessly. They soon got the idea raaa
indeed Raj,
reminds me of this story I’ve stolen from somewhere else:
The old man replies, ‘But you’re wasting your time, they will return at the next tide. You can’t save them all.’
The boy picks up another starfish, tosses it back into the ocean, and says, ‘I just saved that one.’
as I said – we can but try – this one day wont achieve much other than maybe raising a little bit of awareness to those who need it – raaa
but As I said all the older lot here are bang on it with changing their lifestyles, the young children are too, it may sound callous but there’s enough people around to write off a generation (although I do suspect a lot of the youths will see sense at the last minute) – TBH at the worst case most of them will just find themselves having to dig government run fields or repair roads for their dole money, its not gonna be some tinfoil helmet conspiracy scenario..
in September 364 babies were born at Ipswich hospital (amazingly and this is a big credit to the NHS they coped with it 100%, didn’t go on alert or anything…) – if these kids follow in the footsteps of the junior school kids today there is still a lot of hope left..
would that be the generation of my age to 28?
the one who arent bothered etc. etc.
cos i can easily believe it if it is
the one who arent bothered etc. etc.
cos i can easily believe it if it is
I did other than I would have said a few more people started to get clued up by 25 onwards (and younger in some cases) – people grow up fast in East Anglia, particularly if early parenthood occurs…
bear in mind if a couple have a kid at age 18-21 by the time the nipper starts infant school there is a chance the child might inspire their parents (whichever ones are bringing them up) to re-address their priorities and lifestyles.. actually with female mammals of all species (human or otherwise) the maternal instinct is extremely powerful and is a strong driver to changing their lifestyles to protect offspring – the problem for humans is stopping this valuable instinct being corrupted by the consumer society…
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