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November 15, 2008 at 3:11 pm

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O-D

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If you are a proper, true Christian bible believer then you would be opposed to gay marriages.

The Bible makes it clear that god hates gays and he doesn’t want any of them in heaven since they belong in hell, praise jesus.

So, when gays are getting married in a church before god, I can accept that Christians would have a problem with it because, in their view, god would have a problem with it.

I can understand that people would get angry about people trying to ban gays getting married, but you all have to understand that it is their RELIGION that is telling them that gays cannot be married.. in their mind, gays shouldn’t even be gay.

It’s not their fault, it’s the fuckwit clerics/preachers/vicars etc. and of course the bible, that tell them these things and they’ve been told to believe it throughout their life.

Don’t be angry at the common man, be angry at the people who’s career is in religion at the top of the pecking chain.. they know full well that god doesn’t exist.. but they’re not exactly going to say anything while they have 2+ palaces to live in, eh? Praise jesus.

There is NO need to get angry with Amy because she believes in fiction. Anger gets nowhere. It’s not her fault she’s been taught to discount provable evidence and instead believing that: “God is just there, because he’s there because he’s always been there” ‘theory’ (I say theory with a wince). Religion needs to be teared down yes, but not the people who believe in it.

But yes, Amy, people of your belief do seem to quote scriptures whenever and wherever they are. If I offend a religious person online I get emails of scripture, if I go on a forum and there happens to be a religious person on there you can be 99% sure they’ve posted scripture, I’ve talked to religious people on the street and they seem to LOVE reciting scripture at me and anyone else they have a chat with.
People who are not religious have a problem with this because you are not keeping your faith personal and private (like it says you should do in the bible, you cheeky blasphemous person, you!) but instead blurting it out for everyone to have to put up with… I might start going on religious forums and quote lines out of the Origin of Species.. wouldn’t that go down a treat.
November 15, 2008 at 4:24 pm

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Where in the Bible does it say to keep your faith private????? For goodness sake – King David danced like a madman in praise and worship! He sang songs! And in the NT Jesus commands the disciples to go and make disciples of the nations!
November 15, 2008 at 5:02 pm

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MisterDuck

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amyberthelet;245401 wrote:

Where in the Bible does it say to keep your faith private????? For goodness sake – King David danced like a madman in praise and worship! He sang songs! And in the NT Jesus commands the disciples to go and make disciples of the nations!

by all means practice your faith, just not in my general direction thanks.
November 15, 2008 at 5:16 pm

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General Lighting

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All religions have an element of evangelism in them, but in the prevalent culture in the UK everyone is expected to give each other space (as there simply isn’t the physical space for groups to live separately if they don;t agree with one another.)

Texas alone is 3 times the size of the entire United Kingdom!

The UK itself is also made of three countries plus one disputed territory, still at civil war (albeit with less bloodshed in recent times) fuelled by two rival Christian tracts).

it is however very diverse and multicultural, with communities from all over the world living here. All of us have to live in something approaching a civilised manner.all religions/faiths or none are tolerated until people start hurting each other because they can’t reach a consensus on how to live.

So its expected in our country not so much that your faith has to be private but people will normally only discuss matters of faith amongst close friends rather than strangers.
However faith groups can openly have their space and resources like churches, mosques, temples and display whatever symbols they want, provided they comply with local (zoning) and national laws. You can wear (within reason) your traditional dress or any badges of faith you wish to, or not follow any faith at all.

Also, if I went into a Christian or Muslim youth group today, tried to be all friendly and talk about music, cats, nature, bicycles etc (and I am interested in all these things) but deep down my plans were to get these youths to go to raves, take drugs, drop out from society and rebel against their families – the leaders of that faith group would be perfectly within their rights to ask me to leave that group or even to call law enforcement if I refused to do so, particularly if I was trying to influence youths <18 years old. If it were a online as opposed to a real life community, the moderators and/or those what paid for the resources would be perfectly within their rights to limit access to the resources if they feel they are being used for the wrong reason.

But I would not even think of doing such a thing as trying to infiltrate and corrupt a faith group as (legalities aside) I feel it is utterly morally wrong to be underhand like that.
November 15, 2008 at 5:24 pm

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Also, if I went into a Christian or Muslim youth group today, tried to be all friendly and talk about music, cats, nature, bicycles etc (and I am interested in all these things) but deep down my plans were to get these youths to go to raves, take drugs, drop out from society and rebel against their families – the leaders of that faith group would be perfectly within their rights to ask me to leave that group or even to call law enforcement if I refused to do so, particularly if I was trying to influence youths <18 years old.

Um YEAH….that’s WRONG:you_crazy Same rules apply here as well!

Lessee if I’ve got it right…. 3 countries – England, Scotland & Wales..disp territory = Ireland? where it’s Protestants vs Catholics
November 15, 2008 at 5:29 pm

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General Lighting

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amyberthelet;245422 wrote:

Um YEAH….that’s WRONG:you_crazy Same rules apply here as well!

exactly, so it works the other way – even for communities of so-called “sinners”. There’s nothing wrong with holding different views but we must be prepared to give each other space.

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Lessee if I’ve got it right…. 3 countries – England, Scotland & Wales..disp territory = Ireland? where it’s Protestants vs Catholics

close…

The bit of Ireland controlled by the UK is Northern Ireland (our full title is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland).

Southern Ireland is a sovereign nation in its own right.

You are correct about the two religious factions, which thankfully have finally found some level of uneasy peace and are finally making progress. But this conflict spread across our nation for many years and has shaped the views of all our citizens. I expect it could take another half century before the damage done by this conflict is repaired.
November 15, 2008 at 5:35 pm

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amyberthelet

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Well that really is sad…..the church – meaning ALL believers – should get along……there’s a song that goes ‘and they’ll know we are Christians by our love’…….

The clash btwn those 2 factions IS ‘religion’ and THAT’s what even GOD HATES! It’s not about land or dogma etc…..:you_crazy
November 15, 2008 at 5:40 pm

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O-D

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amyberthelet;245422 wrote:

Also, if I went into a Christian or Muslim youth group today, tried to be all friendly and talk about music, cats, nature, bicycles etc (and I am interested in all these things) but deep down my plans were to get these youths to go to raves, take drugs, drop out from society and rebel against their families – the leaders of that faith group would be perfectly within their rights to ask me to leave that group or even to call law enforcement if I refused to do so, particularly if I was trying to influence youths <18 years old.

Um YEAH….that’s WRONG:you_crazy Same rules apply here as well!

Lessee if I’ve got it right…. 3 countries – England, Scotland & Wales..disp territory = Ireland? where it’s Protestants vs Catholics

I think the point he was trying to make is while doing that is indeed wrong, it’s equally wrong to go into a school/youth centre/forum and try and convert kids (or anyone else) to your religion is equally wrong but we’re not allowed to tell them to sod off because it’d be offending/insulting etc.
November 16, 2008 at 6:07 am

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Raj

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Please remember to attack the posts and not the poster Thank you

And if you dont want to see more endless religion crap all over the forum just ignore Amber completely and she will eventualy get bored and go find a new place to annoy :crazy_fre
November 16, 2008 at 5:10 pm

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amyberthelet

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er, my name is Amy and I’m not going anywhere ty! I just decided not to keep going round and round about the same stuff is all…..I’m not gonna let anyone run me off!
November 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm

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MisterDuck

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amyberthelet;245582 wrote:

er, my name is Amy and I’m not going anywhere ty! I just decided not to keep going round and round about the same stuff is all…..I’m not gonna let anyone run me off!

you’ve been alot better recently, gettin involved in different discussion etc. – and because of that i’ll just say ur very welcome here in my eyes

as long as stem the religious views a bit 😉
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