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I make no apology, Veitch and his missus have chosen to judge others and the rest of society whilst furthering their self images, so I have every right to judge they by the same free speech they claims to defend. I’m no staunch royalist but the royal family exist here by overall consensus and if folk want to live in a republic there are plenty of EU countries which are republics (and yet their presidents take the place of Royals and have equally expensive public funded social lives).

If he’d been from a working class family or a homeless the cops would have given him a kicking and chucked him out in the gutter to get home. Money, power and connection still work even for overgrown teenage rebels like Veitch. Given the things he’s been accused of as well as the royal family he’s lucky not to be on remand TBH, friends of ours just on the rave scene have lost their liberty for much less.

Free speech doesn’t give folk the right to shout “fire” in a crowded theatre – you also ignored my point that he has used his “free speech” to brag about potentially disrupting someones special family occasion.

TBH even if a bunch of chavs from my housing estate chatted about disrupting a rival wedding on Farcebook and the feds got wind of it they’d make pre-emptive arrests and if it stopped a wedding being ruined (or even if it were an empty threat) I’d still support the cops, simply for discouraging online bullying, and I don’t even think much of weddings and marriages!

Don’t be fooled, in our country there are a lot of tolerated middle class “celebrity activists” who simply stir the pot and then run back to their comfortable little backgrounds. Folk like George Monbiot, Mark Thomas, Banksy and now these two fools. I’m not saying any of them aren’t talented nor allegging conspiracies but ever noticed that whilst they get arrested they are never kettled, roughed up and always seem to have money to fund their ventures?

the best activists do not make youtubes about themselves, and remain relatively anonymous or participate in genuinely positive actions which enhance society rather than shouting “the pigs aren’t very nice and its all a conspiracy”..

no, its not over the top. If you really don’t like a monarchy, don’t pussy foot around. Either emigrate from the country they are in, or fight them full on at warfare or both, enough angry people did just that and thats how the USA was formed. I guess many of us might not want to emigrate to the USA, which might even show a monarchy does have its uses…

The French did remove their monarchy some time ago, only to end up with presidents like Sarko who are even more high maintenance prima donnas and expensive to the taxpayer. Iceland got rid of theres comparatively recently (1940s) and still went bankrupt!

Tthe royals have no option than to make their ceremony public as it was public funded. it also brings revenue (rather curiously including that from foreigners who live in republics) which offsets the costs. There still remains a consensus that the UK should remain a monarchy, and consensus is what drives democracy.

And yes, I fully agree with limiting the right to protest for a defined time in certain circumstances. Every sovereign nation, even the most liberal, does this. Its a simple matter of coexistence and having respect for your opponents views in a democracy, where decisions are made by elected Councils and MPs, not by street mobs.

I agree with banning Muslim religious extremists and their opponents from marching against troop repatriations or remembrance days, as well as limiting the marches of them where there is a real risk of violence between then and the extreme right. Also people burning poppies, those who might decide to harrass Christian churchgoers on sunday, or throwing pigs’ heads into mosques should be nicked – direct action does not stretch to attacking the gatherings of those you disagree with.

I also agree with the short term arrest of Veitch and the street theatre lot on the wedding day, but would say they could be let out to have their protest on May Day which is a traditional day of the token protest gestures associated with so-called progressive activism.

They have no power or legtimacy to stop the wedding or the monarchy anyway even if that is their ultimate view, so it doesn’t matter if they have their theatre on the wedding day or a few days after, unless their obvious aim is to spread negativity against it.

OTOH none of us would like to see a May Day event disrupted up by the EDL, or a bunch of mad Christians backed up by grieving parents of OD victims protesting outside a popular rave/drugs friendly club or at a party, so why can’t folk live and let live, and at least accept the events of those we disagree with.

BTW Veitch is also suspected of encouraging students to commit criminal damage at the London marches. its dubious how much of this is talked up by the media but a kid from a London estate who was in a similar situation would still be in way more trouble.