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  • amy, you say IM taking things out of context (LOL LOL LOL) plz you said you could explain EVERY one of these bible quotes to me??? go on then……

    (Jesus Speaking) If anyone comes to me without hating his father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, and even his own life, he can not be my disciple. (Luke 14:26 NAB)

    (Jesus speaking) “Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword. For I have come to set a man ‘against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and one’s enemies will be those of his household'”. (Matthew 10:34-36 NAB)
    But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart. So if your eye – even if it is your good eye – causes you to lust, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your hand – even if it is your stronger hand – causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. (Matthew 5:28-30 NLT)

    you honestly cannot explain these bible quotes without sounding stupid.

    Ok I COULD explain them, but I really doubt you’d accept my explanation and just call me names……no matter WHAT I said I’d be tagged as stupid. And the more we go round on this in this forum, the others will hate me more. Hence why I suggested a private chat.

    And noname, I put my story in the Drugs forum hoping it MIGHT help someone who is ADDICTED like I was! Silly of me I know!:crazy:

    Last night a revelation came to me…..I HAVE come across as overzealous…as in a song we sing at DBC…’Zeal for Your house, will consume me.’ I forgot that I am a US citizen who as part of a people who in rebellion broke from England centuries ago, might just encounter some bitterness and oppostition. In fact, my husband told me that most people who try to evangelize in the UK from here GIVE UP! I honestly had no clue – I really should have gone about it in a different manner than with guns blazing so to speak.. and for that I apologize. In my country, abortion has only been legal since 1973 – you see that as most backward, since it was NEVER ILLEGAL there…..it’s a matter of viewpoint and understanding each other’s culture. Over here it’s quite common to evangelize – most would NEVER think of doing physical harm to others….albeit there ARE sadly some exceptions (priests raping young boys/girls, and those who CLAIM to be a Christian like McVeigh, who was NOT BTW)…..

    So please accept an apology from a boisterous overzealous Yank who only was trying to help! :love:

    amyberthelet;243910 wrote:
    And noname, I put my story in the Drugs forum hoping it MIGHT help someone who is ADDICTED like I was! Silly of me I know!:crazy:

    A laudable aim, and not silly of you (I’ve been addicted to things, and also managed to give them up – anything that helps someone do that is to be applauded. I thoroughly disagree that you require god to do it though – I’m one of the most godless bastards you will ever come across, and I could do it… I would question wether, if you feel only god can do it, what you’ve done is trade one addiction for another… But thats just me – I will always be a great believer in people, and believe very strongly that it is inner strength that allows us to conquer things like addiction….)

    amyberthelet;243910 wrote:
    Last night a revelation came to me…..I HAVE come across as overzealous…as in a song we sing at DBC…’Zeal for Your house, will consume me.’ I forgot that I am a US citizen who as part of a people who in rebellion broke from England centuries ago, might just encounter some bitterness and oppostition.

    this is nothing whatsoever to do with the American war of Independence (which probably isn’t even taught much in British high schools today), nor for being American. there are many American users of this site who don’t encounter opposition, and people here still appreciate things such as the popularisation of the Internet that US investment brought to the UK.

    Its simply because any evangelist is viewed with suspicion by a community on the fringes of “normal” society, whatever country or faith they may come from. We get them here, from all the sections of society including reformed crack smokers, some are native British, others come from foreign lands.

    There is also already a strong Christian community in this nation for those people who wish to be part of it. The same applies for other religions practiced in this nation, but by and large people give each other space and don’t attempt to convert others – they wait for people to seek their own faith.

    Incidentally, abortion in this country was made formally illegal in 1829 – and remained so (with rare exceptions) until 1967. Prior to 1829 women who helped other women procure abortions were often judged and viewed as witches by the locals, and often punished by being burned alive.

    England was until the 1960s dominated by a Conservative christian minority with money and power, until a change in power structures meant younger people got more of a voice.

    This change led to such things as pop culture, the pirate radio stations, the Beatles, Queen etc and all UK youth culture stems from this… but it means therefore that any attempt to impose conservative christian values on younger fringe communities in this country (or even many “normal” people) will result in conflict.

    noname, YES I am addicted to JESUS!!!! Another song goes..’You are my bliss, You are my drug, You are my addiction’!!

    GL, thanks for the info – here in the US evangelists spread the word because we are commanded to do so..it is the Great Commission. In the Bible it states that if you do not warn others of the wrath to come, you are responsible – their blood will be on your hands. We are the ‘watchmen on the wall’. That was where my zeal came from.

    it has nothing to do with history –

    as GL has given you the facts,

    but also I am utterly shit at history and the above mentioned wouldnt even have come into my conciousness

    amyberthelet;243910 wrote:
    In fact, my husband told me that most people who try to evangelize in the UK from here GIVE UP! I honestly had no clue – I really should have gone about it in a different manner than with guns blazing so to speak.. and for that I apologize.

    So please accept an apology from a boisterous overzealous Yank who only was trying to help! :love:

    again I’m confused?
    I thought you’d said before you wernt here to preach / convert ?
    isnt this what you’ve just admitted your doing?


    [quote=amyberthelet;243931 – here in the US evangelists spread the word because we are commanded to do so..it is the Great Commission. In the Bible it states that if you do not warn others of the wrath to come, you are responsible – their blood will be on your hands. We are the ‘watchmen on the wall’. That was where my zeal came from.[/quote]

    again back to personal responsibility – I and only I am responsible for the good and bad choices I make – no one else…….

    I can only be responsible for myself not anyone else (unless I were to have a child who is too young to make their own decisions / choices until they are )

    The intent to come on here was to HELP those who may be addicted and are looking for a way out…..

    My point of view comes from The Bible – you are not a Christian so of course you’re not held responsible for others…..

    amyberthelet;243941 wrote:
    The intent to come on here was to HELP those who may be addicted and are looking for a way out…..

    My point of view comes from The Bible – you are not a Christian so of course you’re not held responsible for others…..

    I would question wether saying the only way to beat addiction is to believe in god:

    amyberthelet;239071 wrote:
    Yes, beating crack IS possible – but only by letting GOD do it!

    is actually helpful…

    That isn’t the only way to beat addiction (and yes – we know you’ve swapped the crack addiction for a jesus one – one questions that swapping one addiction for a more socially acceptable one is beating it however…)

    By all means help people by telling your story, but do remember the old proverb about good intentions and the road to hell….

    doesnt god have a ‘Divine Plan’!!!! so w/e crap comes out of ur mouth wont make a difference, i get very pissed off with religious people cos they HONESTLY think i should go 2 hell for eternity (WOT a fucking ridiculous, superfluous x100000000000000 punishment) cos i dont believe in a fake god, whos gospel has so many ridiculous parts that only a fool would belive it………………… like god would even bother letting you into heaven after all uve been through. if richard dawkins on his death bed repents and fully believes in god he’ll be let into heaven??????? LOL GL AMY WOT A WASTE OF A LIFE YOU ONLY GET ONCE!!! HELL = FEAR FOR WEAK PEOPLE

    Please deal with your anger issues w GOD, not me. I am getting frustrated and angry, and nothing good can come of that. If you don’t believe, then WHY LET IT BOTHER YOU SO MUCH???

    And yes, if Richard Dawkins repented on his deathbed, and meant it, yes he would go to heaven. Anyone would.

    I cannot PROVE the existence of God….Thomas Aquinas even tried….just because you cannot EXPLAIN asomething doesn’t mean it does not exist – back in the 50’s they weren’t able to explain quarks!

    I’m gonna go and pray – not worth losing my temper over!

    lol im not seriously angry AT ALL, its text on a computer??? LOL ahahahhahahaha i said swear words AND TYPED IN CAPITALS SO THAT MEANS IM REALLY ANGRY!!!! i have great internet anger INFLECTION!!!

    nothing uve said makes sense in any shape or form to me, oh but there will be some ridiculous reason why i cannot see this and i am in the wrong for illogical dumbass reasons. tbh amy all u have done is made me (and im guessing the majority of people who have read your comments) think ur religion and country is alot more dumb than before u started, plz explain all these comments and been asking you??? because you will sound stupid answering them on a forum???? LOL sorry all i can say to you is you are a fucking moron sorry but that is honestly wot i think of you and ur fucking horrible cult

    Well God bless you too.

    Bye.

    :love:

    @amyberthelet 243651 wrote:

    Well I’m sorry you feel that way – I do love you all…..! I do not have to like or agree with you or you with me – fair enough. And I just can’t understand why people are so offended – but that is your choice. Hey, why should I expect any different than what Christ went through????

    Yep – you’re just like Jesus. You and the J-man are almost the same person really. God bless you for trying to save us all.

    @amyberthelet 243704 wrote:

    I THOUGHT I stated that I am NOT condemning you to hell – I CAN’T do anything of the sort!!!!! I also said that I KNOW I cannot change your beliefs – why are you still saying I am?????

    @amyberthelet 243704 wrote:

    well I am simply following what Christ would have me do. Not the world’s way, but His way. I know you don not understand or accept that….ok.

    So you ARE trying to condemn us all to hell because that is what Jesus (or God) does and you are blindly (faithfully) doing what Jesus tells you to do.

    p0lygon-Window;244121 wrote:
    lol im not seriously angry AT ALL, its text on a computer??? LOL ahahahhahahaha i said swear words AND TYPED IN CAPITALS SO THAT MEANS IM REALLY ANGRY!!!! i have great internet anger INFLECTION!!!

    nothing uve said makes sense in any shape or form to me, oh but there will be some ridiculous reason why i cannot see this and i am in the wrong for illogical dumbass reasons. tbh amy all u have done is made me (and im guessing the majority of people who have read your comments) think ur religion and country is alot more dumb than before u started, plz explain all these comments and been asking you??? because you will sound stupid answering them on a forum???? LOL sorry all i can say to you is you are a fucking moron sorry but that is honestly wot i think of you and ur fucking horrible cult

    2 wrongs dont make a right etc etc etc dont judge a whole country on one person ete etc etc devils advocate blah blah blah.

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