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    Hello people. Long time no speak. As some of you know the reason I’ve not been around is because I’ve been getting far too involved in the Camp for Climate action.

    I know you’ve ben chatting a lot about poor Ian and all the G20 stuff. It’s time to put your money where your mouth is and come get involved in the next action!

    Climate Camp London sets up on Wednesday for a week. There’ll be 1,000s of people swooping into a squatted site in London at midday on Wed, where we will stay for a week of workshops, entertainments, activist training and learning how to survive the coming apocalypse!!

    For more info check out Home » Camp for Climate Action

    See you in the fields!!

    raaa

    just had a gander at the site and it looks brilliant Binge, glad to hear you still going at it strong!!

    I’m off to summer Leicester Wed, and then to Shambala for the weekend so wont be joining you but am sure you’ll get a great, motivated turnout

    big hugs :group_hug

    what do you think of metpol’s PR exercise? They are trying to be a bit more “Gentle Touch” than “Ashes to Ashes” this time (promising less heavy policing and putting a senior female officer as Silver Commander) but I suspect they will make more use of CID and snouts whilst the “heavy mob” will be deployed to the Notting Hill Carnival and will still get their opportunities to flex their muscles.

    Not much tbh. The media team summed it up quite nicely in the open letter to the Met:

    Open Letter FAO Chief Superintendent Ian Thomas,
    New Scotland Yard
    London SW1H 0BG

    Dear Chief Superintendent Thomas,

    On August 17th, you wrote to the Camp for Climate Action, requesting further information on the location of our next Camp, which will take place from August 27th to September 2nd, somewhere in the London area. You say that you require this information in order to help with “community liaison”, to ensure the Camp is a “safe and healthy” event, and to help you put a “pre-planned and proportionate policing operation” in place. We are writing this open letter in order to alleviate your concerns, and to make our position clear both to yourself and to the public.

    Community liaison has been a vital part of every Climate Camp. At Drax in 2006, Heathrow in 2007 and Kingsnorth in 2008, we put a lot of time and effort into spending time with local residents and allaying people’s concerns, and this year will be no different. We have a good track record of building community support for the Camp and for climate change campaigning, we’ve already been in touch with local Councils across London, and our friendly outreach volunteers will be chatting to the locals from the moment we arrive on site. We plan to be excellent neighbours for as long as we’re there, we’ll be open and welcoming to any local residents with questions or concerns, and we’ll leave the site spotless when it’s time to go.

    As regards health and safety – thanks for your concern, but again we’ve got it under control. As with previous Camps, we’ll have great food, water, compost toilets, a team of medics, a wellbeing space, excellent on-site communication, emergency vehicle access, and a family space. We also have a “Safer Spaces” policy and a “Tranquillity Team” to help keep the site free from oppressive behaviour or aggro. Anyone who’s spent time at past Camps will tell you how friendly and safe the atmosphere is – better than most mainstream festivals.

    Of course, there is one unfortunate exception to all of this. While most visitors to previous Camps have had an inspiring and positive experience, some of us have had to suffer violence, intimidation, theft, sleep deprivation and harassment, thanks to past examples of “pre-planned and proportionate policing operations”. Local communities have been disrupted by police road closures and indiscriminate stops-and-searches. Members of the public have been attacked with batons or arrested on trumped-up charges simply for standing on the perimeter of a campsite (nearly all of them have now been acquitted or had their charges dropped). Judging from past experience, the best thing the police could do to ensure the health and safety of the public at Climate Camp 2009 would be to stay as far away from it as possible.

    Bearing all of this in mind, I hope that you, and the public, understand why we don’t feel able to reveal the precise location of the Camp at this time. Every other aspect of the Camp has been organised in an open, accountable and democratic way, via monthly public meetings. The only secret is the location. There’s a simple reason for this: I’m afraid we just don’t trust the police. Why? Because it seems as though every time we have a protest, the police turn up and start hitting people. Look what happened at the G20. That’s not really a very good way to win people over.

    Just because you’ve started using friendlier language and talking about “lighter-touch” policing, do you really think we’re suddenly going to believe you’re our friends? Just a few weeks back the Big Green Gathering was shut down by the police on spurious grounds, for “political” reasons. If the police are really trying to build up trust within the climate action movement, then that’s a funny way to go about it.

    The precise location of the Camp for Climate Action 2009 will be announced via mass text as part of the exciting August 26th “Swoop”. I’m afraid you’ll just have to sign up on our website, and wait for the updates just like everybody else!

    Yours sincerely,

    The Camp for Climate Action Media Team

    I’m afraid you’ll just have to sign up on our website, and wait for the updates just like everybody else!

    :laugh_at:

    Yeah. It’s good to be yourself. Same with you, I will try to do something. So I support your decision!

    Haha good email. :0)

    quality! :weee: be interested to see what the response is from the police…

    @DIONYSUS 347522 wrote:

    quality! :weee: be interested to see what the response is from the police…

    Bloody vengeance probably. That email will blatantly piss em off!

    metpol have smarter people than 20 years ago – I reckon they will be reasonably “PC PC’s” on the climate camp but will go in as heavy as they can on Notting Hill Carnival or its associated crowd as a reprisal.

    Public views are slightly biased towards the intelligent middle class protestors whilst a predominantly working class gathering such as Carnival has much more potential problems with gangs, violence etc and is today is just viewed as celebrating a form of hedonism perceived as self-destructive rather than its original aim of championing multicultralism – this could be used to justify “robust” policing.

    IMO although the greens can also pull off stupid counterproductive stunts, the Climate Camp at best do a much better job of supporting the developing world in the long run. Even one of my black work colleagues who is into music thinks that Carnival has been hijacked by gangs and troublemakers (violence associated with it was also what led to Operation Trident being formed in 1987).

    this is also the first time in 20 years I have heard of metpol asking for backup from “foreign” constabularies due to both events happening around the same time. this term means neighbouring forces like TVP, not those from other nations – though I would not be surprised if detectives from Europol are present at both events

    I reckon whatever metpol do they will succeed in dividing the youth/communities between hedonists and environmentalists. Whether this is a conspiracy or just out of stupidity (as its no good for the cops or Britain in the long run) is debatable.

    London Met Police need to disband. From top to bottom. There’s something about the London Met what makes them loads worse than other police forces. Institutional cover-ups and horrendous abuse, the entire attitude of both the officers on ground level and the top dogs is fucking horrible.

    I’ve heard just as bad stories about GMP, and adjoining southern forces such as TVP, can be just as bad when they want to be.

    Also metpol still permit the unlicensed rave scene to exist when other provincial forces have stomped on it, in some cases even tolerating events whilst trying to investigate gangsters/violence who prey on them. They need revamping but for all their perceived muscle they actually aren’t the best law enforcers, some of the countryside forces are much more effective. Thanks to the rave backlash and also widespread drunken violence in countryside areas, Suffolk and Norfolk constabularies are better at dealing with large groups than the Met who lack operational training (as a contrast Suffolk train every other weekend on how to deal with a riot situation and it shows at street level).

    The worst I’ve had from the Met (other than being caught with drugs and cautioned) was rather bizzarely being mistaken for a French man by some of their traffic cops.

    GMP can be nasty, particularly the riot squad.

    I don’t think there’s the same level of institutional cover-ups, institutional racism that there is with the London Met.

    @boothy 347542 wrote:

    GMP can be nasty, particularly the riot squad.

    I don’t think there’s the same level of institutional cover-ups, institutional racism that there is with the London Met.

    I used to work with a former BBC Manchester and later Granada engineer who did a lot of work in the newsroom with the journos (bear in mind most TV news is crime news) and he said it was just as bad as London.

    if the cops are “less worse” in provincial areas its often because there is less crime and they feel more confident in their power so don’t need to be as corrupt.

    There are cover ups and racism in every police force in every part of the world, their very nature is that they will be run by the wannabe alpha males of the dominant racial group.

    Although stuff like “Life on Mars” and “Red Riding” (which is closer to the North) is fictional, there is a lot of truth in what happened.

    The initial rationale behind merging borough constabularies into larger “metropolitan” forces (most of which happened in the 1960s and 1970s) was actually to reduce the amount of localised corruption, particularly groups of dominant males carving up areas to hold their own power struggles (not just the Police but also local businessmen, gangsters etc).

    The Met Police ain’t all bad. Ok some of their number may be rotten but don’t tar all of em with that brush.

    A couple years back I was saved by a van load of them. Me and my two female cousins were set upon by a gangs of youths, OB drove by intervened and literally pulled us into their van for our own safety.

    Was so fucking happy to see them! Was even on pills at the time. They were well sound and couldn’t do enough for us.

    Just remember not all of them are bad and you’d soon miss the cops if they disappeared!

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