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Ah my sarkyboard isnt working man, the sarcastometer is ticking though, I think it needs recalibration lol
@NN~Gazatryptamine 519319 wrote:
Ah my sarkyboard isnt working man, the sarcastometer is ticking though, I think it needs recalibration lol
You wanna get the sarkeyboard pro mate, it’s so sarcastic it’s like a Parisian’s writing!
Incidentally, why are people from Paris called Parisians? Surely they should be Parisites!
@MC G-Tek 519366 wrote:
Incidentally, why are people from Paris called Parisians? Surely they should be Parisites!
Hahaha that is genius mate!
@DeezNuts 519367 wrote:
Hahaha that is genius mate!
Cheers mate, but I can’t take the credit, I stole that off Milton Jones!
@MC G-Tek 519366 wrote:
Incidentally, why are people from Paris called Parisians? Surely they should be Parisites!
I swear you stole that joke off me. Can’t be bothered searching my posts to see where/when I said it. You can have a silver star instead of a gold one lol.
Ok Milton Jones stole it off me. But he’s better than me so he gets gold I get silver and sorry g-Tek you only get bronze
@The Psyentist 519425 wrote:
Ok Milton Jones stole it off me. But he’s better than me so he gets gold I get silver and sorry g-Tek you only get bronze
Ha ha, at least I still got a medal!
hi! as the step-mum in this programme i understand where people are coming from in that its message is a bit weird: it doesn’t really seem to know if it’s trying to advertise meph, damn it or what. i can say that as a member of holly’s family (and a former party drug experimenter) i think i have seen the real event in a way that wasn’t represented in the film.
there are ‘party drugs’ and there are things that shouldn’t be played with. i don’t have any crazy ‘adult’ wish to damn all drugs… but i did see the changes in the girl i have known since she was 15, and i did talk to her openly and honestly for hours.
and i did see the fear and hopelessness in her eyes as she started to realise she was in deeper than she could manage. and can i say that seeing her shrink away to 2 stone lighter, start to disappear for days on end, turn up stinking, sobbing and desperate, suicidal and utterly lacking in any wish to live (and no, she doesn’t have any mental health issues, and at the mo, staying off mcat she is totally motivated and buzzing) was an eye opener about the new shit going round. it took a lot of work for me (as a now aging crusty old parent-type) to find all the info, get in touch with the original club-drug clinic in london and get through to dr roche in leeds. it took a whole summer getting her in to see the specialists that helped her.
and coping with the bullshit and lies that she coyldn’t help but spout. all for partying, just be careful wht you wish for. there are people out ther who really want to be informed rather than lectured to or bossed around or ‘protected’. it’s your choice.
@spanglyfish 519849 wrote:
hi! as the step-mum in this programme i understand where people are coming from in that its message is a bit weird: it doesn’t really seem to know if it’s trying to advertise meph, damn it or what. i can say that as a member of holly’s family (and a former party drug experimenter) i think i have seen the real event in a way that wasn’t represented in the film.
there are ‘party drugs’ and there are things that shouldn’t be played with. i don’t have any crazy ‘adult’ wish to damn all drugs… but i did see the changes in the girl i have known since she was 15, and i did talk to her openly and honestly for hours.
and i did see the fear and hopelessness in her eyes as she started to realise she was in deeper than she could manage. and can i say that seeing her shrink away to 2 stone lighter, start to disappear for days on end, turn up stinking, sobbing and desperate, suicidal and utterly lacking in any wish to live (and no, she doesn’t have any mental health issues, and at the mo, staying off mcat she is totally motivated and buzzing) was an eye opener about the new shit going round. it took a lot of work for me (as a now aging crusty old parent-type) to find all the info, get in touch with the original club-drug clinic in london and get through to dr roche in leeds. it took a whole summer getting her in to see the specialists that helped her.
and coping with the bullshit and lies that she coyldn’t help but spout. all for partying, just be careful wht you wish for. there are people out ther who really want to be informed rather than lectured to or bossed around or ‘protected’. it’s your choice.
Good post. A major problem with a lot of the RC’s is that because they’re legal, people assume they’re safe and end up losing days and days doing them, as I’m sure you’re aware. Also, everyone seems to drink on top of these new chemicals without any knowledge of how alcohol reacts with them. It’s a crazy state of affairs when you’re safer with more traditional, illegal drugs than you are with the new legal alternatives.
Good to hear your step-daughter’s staying off the m-cat though, long may that continue. Best of luck to her (and anyone else in her situation) in staying off that dodgy shit, all the best.
@spanglyfish 519849 wrote:
and i did see the fear and hopelessness in her eyes as she started to realise she was in deeper than she could manage. and can i say that seeing her shrink away to 2 stone lighter, start to disappear for days on end, turn up stinking, sobbing and desperate, suicidal and utterly lacking in any wish to live (and no, she doesn’t have any mental health issues, and at the mo, staying off mcat she is totally motivated and buzzing)
This brings back bad memories as a former meph addict, stuff is a wrongen. I feel so much better without it then i ever could on it but i was stuck in a vicious circle of weekend benders and then clucking through the week, so glad i broke it.
If either you/her want any information regarding meph then please just let me know 🙂
@spanglyfish 519849 wrote:
hi! as the step-mum in this programme i understand where people are coming from in that its message is a bit weird: it doesn’t really seem to know if it’s trying to advertise meph, damn it or what. i can say that as a member of holly’s family (and a former party drug experimenter) i think i have seen the real event in a way that wasn’t represented in the film.
there are ‘party drugs’ and there are things that shouldn’t be played with. i don’t have any crazy ‘adult’ wish to damn all drugs… but i did see the changes in the girl i have known since she was 15, and i did talk to her openly and honestly for hours.
and i did see the fear and hopelessness in her eyes as she started to realise she was in deeper than she could manage. and can i say that seeing her shrink away to 2 stone lighter, start to disappear for days on end, turn up stinking, sobbing and desperate, suicidal and utterly lacking in any wish to live (and no, she doesn’t have any mental health issues, and at the mo, staying off mcat she is totally motivated and buzzing) was an eye opener about the new shit going round. it took a lot of work for me (as a now aging crusty old parent-type) to find all the info, get in touch with the original club-drug clinic in london and get through to dr roche in leeds. it took a whole summer getting her in to see the specialists that helped her.
and coping with the bullshit and lies that she coyldn’t help but spout. all for partying, just be careful wht you wish for. there are people out ther who really want to be informed rather than lectured to or bossed around or ‘protected’. it’s your choice.
I have heard other anecdotes from otherwise right on liberal parents (middle aged hippys etc) who have said exactly the same thing. Compared to MDMA this stuff hits especially younger people hard. But even MDMA in the 90s hit communities hard when it became cheap and was overused along with booze.
The mephedrone boom was like the 1990s over again but speeded up 10 times with 10 times more emotional carnage. TBH I think it has set back any chance of other party drugs being decriminalised in the EU for some years, not just because of the backlash from feds/politicians etc but it genuinely scared the shit out of people who would otherwise be supportive of decriminalisation (lets not forget the club drug clinics themselves were set up a decade or so ago following people in the UK and other areas bingeing on MDMA and other party drugs, and it was only because feds had reduced the supply of these that mephedrone became popular in the first place…)
I see where you’re coming from GL but like you said mephedrone only became big because of the MDMA drought that occured due to massive clampdowns. If drugs were decrminalised/legalised there would’ve been more information on the drugs and safety measures implemented to stop stuff getting out of hand like it did (imo).
I suppose the only way legalisation/decriminalisation would work though is if the population was more responsible which as you’ve said before we’ll have a long way to go which is a shame.
I find with mephedrone you don’t realise the shit has hit the fan until your deep in, constantly justifying your use..
@spanglyfish 519849 wrote:
hi! as the step-mum in this programme i understand where people are coming from in that its message is a bit weird: it doesn’t really seem to know if it’s trying to advertise meph, damn it or what. i can say that as a member of holly’s family (and a former party drug experimenter) i think i have seen the real event in a way that wasn’t represented in the film.
there are ‘party drugs’ and there are things that shouldn’t be played with. i don’t have any crazy ‘adult’ wish to damn all drugs… but i did see the changes in the girl i have known since she was 15, and i did talk to her openly and honestly for hours.
and i did see the fear and hopelessness in her eyes as she started to realise she was in deeper than she could manage. and can i say that seeing her shrink away to 2 stone lighter, start to disappear for days on end, turn up stinking, sobbing and desperate, suicidal and utterly lacking in any wish to live (and no, she doesn’t have any mental health issues, and at the mo, staying off mcat she is totally motivated and buzzing) was an eye opener about the new shit going round. it took a lot of work for me (as a now aging crusty old parent-type) to find all the info, get in touch with the original club-drug clinic in london and get through to dr roche in leeds. it took a whole summer getting her in to see the specialists that helped her.
and coping with the bullshit and lies that she coyldn’t help but spout. all for partying, just be careful wht you wish for. there are people out ther who really want to be informed rather than lectured to or bossed around or ‘protected’. it’s your choice.
Thank you for you’re post, its great to hear from someone involved in the program
and also great to hear Holly is doing well, as you could clearly see her distress, and difficulty trying to ‘stay away’ but being surrounded by temptation
I think the problems with these sorts of ‘shows’ – (well probably all shows) is the edit
As I just couldn’t work out what their rationale / message was – were they just exploring whats going on? trying to warn people? or …….
As many of the harm reduction expects advise – if you are going to take substances – stick with what you know – at least there is some (emerging) research in to the neurotoxisity/ biology / psychological effects etc, compared to these newer substances – obviously you’re never gonna know whats in an E etc unless you have a home testing kit – but if you are buying off a reliable source you may have an indication if its decent
and the saddest thing is prohibition has caused this – Proff Nutt (drugs without the hot air) suggests that a ‘huge seizure of sassafras oil in Cambodia in June 2008, which could have made 245 million doses of MDMA, was probably responsible for most of the pills containing no MDMA (evidenced by testing confiscated pills in 2009 – and also cocaine purity dropped as low as 22%)’
and with Mephedrone being so cheap and approx 95% pure – well…. what are people gonna do – stop taking substances? err…. no,
they are gonna take whatever has closed the gap in the market.. and perhaps not know how to dose- redose, know the long term psychological / physical effects etc etc
therefore potentially putting (particularly young) people in more danger –
(lol – I took so long to reply – you both wrote what I was aiming at in half the time!!)
@Tank Girl 519878 wrote:
(lol – I took so long to reply – you both wrote what I was aiming at in half the time!!)
No that was a good post that brought a lot to the table so to speak lol.
Damn that is a lot of MDMA (245 million doses) no wonder why everything went pear shaped for a few years. At the end of the day the government only has themselves to blame then, thats just yet more proof that prohibition doesn’t work..
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