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@DeezNuts 519882 wrote:
no wonder why everything went pear shaped for a few years.
I may be wrong but it seems there is decent pills to be had again now
@Tank Girl 519892 wrote:
I may be wrong but it seems there is decent pills to be had again now
I meant the MDMA drought that occured when meph exploded in popularity. Indeed there is decent mandy and pills again.
@Tank Girl 519892 wrote:
I may be wrong but it seems there is decent pills to be had again now
I believe so, but unfortunately a lot of people have been put off by the shoddy (& downright dangerous) pills that have been about since the massive safrole oil bust. Many people prefer to take MDMA, but unless you know what you’re getting, even that carries risks with it. As DeezNuts & GL between them said, none of this would happen if the drugs market was decriminalised, but we’re in a ‘catch 22’ situation where the rise and full-on abuse of legal highs and RC’s, and the problems this has caused, mean that it’s gonna be a long long time before they relax on the drug laws unfortunately.
To be fair the environment ministry in the Asian country all the sassafras was from (possibly Cambodia but might be Lao) were understandably pissed off as their entire forest was getting trashed for making the stuff, and the natives being corrupted or intimidated into letting it happen. Since then the Chinese have worked out how to make safrole in quantity without needing to destroy their neighbours forests. Ironically RC’s are the nearest you can get to “fair trade drugs” as they seemed to be made by young folk just like us in China who were working in relatively safe conditions and well treated but obviously a lot more brainy, they are probably having better working conditions than foxconn workers…
@DeezNuts 519896 wrote:
I meant the MDMA drought that occured when meph exploded in popularity.
I know what you meant – just saying there seems a resurgence of decent (MDMA) pills currently after so long
@MC G-Tek 519897 wrote:
I believe so, but unfortunately a lot of people have been put off by the shoddy (& downright dangerous) pills
I’m wondering if age has summat to do with it? – as I know people who just wouldn’t bother with ‘buying / taking’ pills unless the quality was good, so wouldn’t have taken the crappy pills, and just waited for the decent stuff to come back – therefore not be put off. Who maybe only take substances a few times a year, compared to younger people who are out partying a lot more, and would ‘need / prefer’ to take something, and (unfortunately) had little choice.
(I’m just referring to pills not MDMA crystal / powder in my posts)
I wonder if 245 million pills would have lasted that long though, bearing in mind that the Chinese and other Asians will want their share of them? Not just the mainland but Singapore, Malaysia etc. There must be millions of young Asian ravers these days, but because of their strict family upbringing and monitored Internet connections they don’t brag about their drug use much even if they do take them.
There are enough ravers there that the death penalty for small time posession without dealing has been abolished and replaced by hospital based rehab for problem cases as no country wants to hang its intelligent next generation..
@Tank Girl 519905 wrote:
I’m wondering if age has summat to do with it? – as I know people who just wouldn’t bother with ‘buying / taking’ pills unless the quality was good, so wouldn’t have taken the crappy pills, and just waited for the decent stuff to come back – therefore not be put off. Who maybe only take substances a few times a year, compared to younger people who are out partying a lot more, and would ‘need / prefer’ to take something, and (unfortunately) had little choice.
(I’m just referring to pills not MDMA crystal / powder in my posts)
That’s a very good point mate, I reckon there may be some truth in that.
@General Lighting 519906 wrote:
I wonder if 245 million pills would have lasted that long though, bearing in mind that the Chinese and other Asians will want their share of them? Not just the mainland but Singapore, Malaysia etc. There must be millions of young Asian ravers these days, but because of their strict family upbringing and monitored Internet connections they don’t brag about their drug use much even if they do take them.
There are enough ravers there that the death penalty for small time posession without dealing has been abolished and replaced by hospital based rehab for problem cases as no country wants to hang its intelligent next generation..
Yep, 245 million ain’t all that much in terms of a worldwide trade bud – 12 million of them woulda been eaten by me on my birthday anyway!
@MC G-Tek 519897 wrote:
(& downright dangerous) pills
Sad for these families losses,
however I am never surprised at the shamelessly bad reporting of deaths like these
What I especially find Interesting is the ‘conclusive’ looking head lines in the usual rags, by use of sensational wording, where words such as ‘probably’ is usually not noticed – when often ‘toxicology’ tests are yet to be carried out, and often postmortems have not been carried out, therefore dose / poly substance use etc is unknown, yet it doesnt stop the media hysteria
for example – the current concern seems to be about PMA (not MDMA) content, (therefore not what most of us would know as ecstasy)
IE: Drug deaths: Five die after taking ecstasy – Mirror Online
Don’t let her death be in vain: Uncle’s plea after five young people die after taking ‘Dr Death ecstasy’ as police arrest two men in connection with super-strength pills | Mail Online
here seems to be a bit more of a balanced report
Further arrests over ‘contaminated’ ecstasy deaths | Society | The Guardian
@MC G-Tek 519267 wrote:
Family Guy and American Dad are at least worth tuning in for though – especially as the other channel to watch em on’s Fox!
I was just gonna say :love:
@Tank Girl 519908 wrote:
Sad for these families losses,
however I am never surprised at the shamelessly bad reporting of deaths like theseWhat I especially find Interesting is the ‘conclusive’ looking head lines in the usual rags, by use of sensational wording, where words such as ‘probably’ is usually not noticed – when often ‘toxicology’ tests are yet to be carried out, and often postmortems have not been carried out, therefore dose / poly substance use etc is unknown, yet it doesnt stop the media hysteria
for example – the current concern seems to be about PMA (not MDMA) content, (therefore not what most of us would know as ecstasy)
IE: Drug deaths: Five die after taking ecstasy – Mirror Online
Don’t let her death be in vain: Uncle’s plea after five young people die after taking ‘Dr Death ecstasy’ as police arrest two men in connection with super-strength pills | Mail Onlinehere seems to be a bit more of a balanced report
Further arrests over ‘contaminated’ ecstasy deaths | Society | The Guardian
It’s a sad state of affairs mate, especially as these pills get branded as ‘ecstasy’ in the press, when they have no ecstasy(mdma) in them. Still, don’t let the truth get in the way of a good story, eh?
hi again. am not really used to this medium of communication: not really all that old and crusty as am only a step-mum, just am a confirmed anti-tech, but i feel i still have stuff to add to all your comments, purely because there may be people who read this for info who aren’t taking part in the thread. i’d like to add that i took Holly for various blood tests after it first came out that she was in deep with what she was taking. and despite feeling sure of what she had taken there was evidence of substances she wasn’t aware of. eg as far as she knew sh’e only had mcat but tests showed heroin one time and another time coke. she got to the point where she didn’t really care what she was given after that because she felt all her boundaries had been taken from her.
my second point, again not from any great historical knowledge but just from my recent experience is that the clinic on the bbc prog and the one i initially contacted in london aren’t long-standing rehabs left-over from the 1990s, but are very recent. indeed, the leeds clinic is part of a larger rehab centre but the young guy, Roche, who started the club-drugs bit seemed really decent, and at around late 20’s early 30s is a few years younger than me but is on a new venture he seems passionate about. i get the impression he saw the need for somewhere outside of london that had more of an idea of the scene rather than treating people like lifeline does. it’s more about awareness and damage-limitation than anti-drug.
@spanglyfish 520175 wrote:
hi again. am not really used to this medium of communication: not really all that old and crusty as am only a step-mum, just am a confirmed anti-tech, but i feel i still have stuff to add to all your comments, purely because there may be people who read this for info who aren’t taking part in the thread. i’d like to add that i took Holly for various blood tests after it first came out that she was in deep with what she was taking. and despite feeling sure of what she had taken there was evidence of substances she wasn’t aware of. eg as far as she knew sh’e only had mcat but tests showed heroin one time and another time coke. she got to the point where she didn’t really care what she was given after that because she felt all her boundaries had been taken from her.
my second point, again not from any great historical knowledge but just from my recent experience is that the clinic on the bbc prog and the one i initially contacted in london aren’t long-standing rehabs left-over from the 1990s, but are very recent. indeed, the leeds clinic is part of a larger rehab centre but the young guy, Roche, who started the club-drugs bit seemed really decent, and at around late 20’s early 30s is a few years younger than me but is on a new venture he seems passionate about. i get the impression he saw the need for somewhere outside of london that had more of an idea of the scene rather than treating people like lifeline does. it’s more about awareness and damage-limitation than anti-drug.
Harm reduction is definitely the way forward in my opinion. You’re never going to stop people doing drugs, so the best thing to do is ensure they’re as safe as possible and that they don’t go overboard. The more open we are about these things, the more chance we have of keeping people from doing serious, long-term damage to themselves.
@spanglyfish 520175 wrote:
hi again. am not really used to this medium of communication: not really all that old and crusty as am only a step-mum, just am a confirmed anti-tech, but i feel i still have stuff to add to all your comments, purely because there may be people who read this for info who aren’t taking part in the thread. i’d like to add that i took Holly for various blood tests after it first came out that she was in deep with what she was taking. and despite feeling sure of what she had taken there was evidence of substances she wasn’t aware of. eg as far as she knew sh’e only had mcat but tests showed heroin one time and another time coke. she got to the point where she didn’t really care what she was given after that because she felt all her boundaries had been taken from her.
my second point, again not from any great historical knowledge but just from my recent experience is that the clinic on the bbc prog and the one i initially contacted in london aren’t long-standing rehabs left-over from the 1990s, but are very recent. indeed, the leeds clinic is part of a larger rehab centre but the young guy, Roche, who started the club-drugs bit seemed really decent, and at around late 20’s early 30s is a few years younger than me but is on a new venture he seems passionate about. i get the impression he saw the need for somewhere outside of london that had more of an idea of the scene rather than treating people like lifeline does. it’s more about awareness and damage-limitation than anti-drug.
Hey again – thanks for coming back.
I’m not doubting the results of the blood test, but it seems highly unlikely (to me atleast) that a dealer would cut mephedrone (MKAT) with heroin as they have completely different effects as i’m sure you know, also heroin is a lot more expensive. Are you sure she didn’t intentionally take it to deal with a comedown or something, as i’ve definitely debated it after taking massive amounts of the stuff (fortunately never done it, i wouldn’t even know how to get it thank god).
To be honest your point about the clinics is true then it can only be a good thing in my eyes as anti-drug does NOT work, awareness and damage-limitation is a far better method of damage prevention which is why this forum exists as well as to talk about the general lifestyle etc.
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