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here is a full translation of the CZ PM’s speech to a local newspaper which I found on SJ. Relayed here as text because of workplace net filtering blocking SJ in many places…
If Mr.Redactor Kubita of LN (Folk’s News) charges me for the alleged massacre done by riot police against dancing and singing children, then i can’t but doubt his goodwill to objectively judge the situation.
There are bitter experiences all over Europe with the hard core of initiators of technoparties. These are no dancing children. We should call things by their right name, because they are international, and also in our country politologically, sociologicaly, with the help of police and journalists well documented. This core is build from people with dangerous anarchist’s thrives and they are internationally connected. They provoke massive demonstrations against the peacefull society, started with alcohol and drugs . The logic of these violent persons is similar to the system of organizing their parties.
Through Internet and mobile networks they inform themselves so that the domestic and foreign groups, crossing the country in big vehicles, get to know about the secret place in the moment when they are ready to be fast there.
All that happens in such a way that, hour after hour thousands come and the police forces cannot stop them. Of course, all of this is covered in a flavour of romantic adventure and musical celebration, which manages to get thousands of novices which want to try it.
We already know what happens next: this is no music celebration, but seems more simillar to risky adrenaline activities, which in combination with alcohol and drugs can cause dangerous situations for their surroundings, including thousands of youngsters which come with the best will to celebrate. Lets add also: terrorizing of the population with sound, dirt and all other torments and that in all of neighbouring towns, through which the caravans pass, not to speak about the towns in immediate proximity.
Its neccesary to await destruction of the natural enviroment and elementary hygiene, with risk of spreading AIDS, jaundice, salmonel, etc. until all places are infested with trash. There are tons and tons of such experiences in our towns.
It is really true that our citizens have no right to sleep, raise their children and a right for safety? Thats why in all the western-european countries the police attacked uncompromisingly and very hard these wild parties and pushed them out of their land. In France, England and else a uncompromising legislature was approved against every not-announced music event defining strict rules for loudness, hygiene, etc. which the organizers have to fullfil.
That’s why the technoparties started to move to us and in the last years our police was too tolerant and couldn’t stop them. After all the hard days, that the neighborhood had to go through, oposition dramatized all of this against the police and the consequences have been felt for the rest of the year.
But this time it is the first time we managed to interrupt this wild party. Of course we were also paying the price of public and private damages (just in the area of Primda the damages are estimated to over 600 thousands Czk) and the price for a series of injuries. Most of the injuries are on the side of the policemen – almost 50 persons, while the aggresive attacks have been started by the fans of the party. The policemen have been pushing them out and defending themselves. At the end they defended not only themselves but also the broad neighborhood and has proved this way that we are a proper democratic country, which can protect its citizens from the wild riots.
Such are the facts. Pararells with the communist regime, or the SNB praxis, or even the november 89′ assault of the SNB against students are not appropriate. It is a offence to our citizens, which went to the street in november 89′ with a pure human message, and every analogy with this fury of young anarchists is absolutely not correct and is intentional.
[next follows a blabla about him on holydays and freedom and democracy]..
Jiří Paroubek, Prime-Minister
I have added the red colour to a very important point. The PM is clearly trying to introduce a licensing system in for music events such as in other countries…
His fears are as usuall exaggerated – but sadly it does not look now like “one soviet-style dictatorial politician against an entire country”.
Instead, we have the words here of a clever statesman who has made research into how the unlicensed party network works throughout his own country and the EU (and has added his own negative spin to these findings).
He may, unfortunately, have a certain amount of popular support from those who claim to have been inconvenienced by CZtek and other rave events.
He has seized on the negative aspects of large unlicensed gatherings such as environmental damage, lack of sanitation, noise, whilst it appears that CZtek organisers may not have paid as much attention to these problems over the years and carried on regardless of locals’ complaints…. (incidentally on the Indymedia traffic I noticed a post from a local who although they claimed the cops were out of order, also said that Cztek was too near villages and there were far better locations which could have been used which would not have caused disruption)
In the UK and France exactly the same mistakes were made – and that is why the laws were tightened up here.
Perhaps this can be a lesson to the rest of Europe and any countries where these events are still permitted without lots of licensing procedures and paperwork – please think of the locals and minimise disruption – otherwise your country as well will have such an incident and a clampdown on events…
However none of this excuses the excessive level of force used by the Police – which was unacceptable by any EU country’s standards.
Complaints should and must still be made against those in charge of the Police operation – a police officers uniform is not a mask for angry men to take out their prejudices against sections of society they do not like.
As for the future, perhaps we should all look to the East….
in Goa, India, some of the rave parties there are now organised with full consent of the locals, many of whom provide stalls and help with safety infrastructure such as water and sanitation.
in Thailand, a German party crew which was in Thailand helped re-build the area after the tsunami disaster gained so much support their events are fully licensed and supported by the local council and even the Royal Family!
Both these countries had the traditional Asian anti-drugs ethos and were initially hostile to rave events. But by a process of legitimate negotiation with local people and authorities [not corruption and bribery to override the law of the land], a situation has been reached where all concerned can hold their events without problems. This is a situation we could all strive to attain in Europe…
Look just at http://www.czechslovakforum.be
don’t like reading articles like that.
funny how he doesn’t mention about the people who were killed by the police.
U r so true mister General !!!
I only saw this declaration as a populism appeal to boycot teknival. I didn’t see the further aspect (about preparing a field to introduce a law against tekno criminalz.. huhu..)
Because it really sounds like a right wing extremists’ sentences… I love the part about “strangers coming to our coutnry with their big trucks threating the freedom of property”… it sounds like our French extreme right wing motherf#*&#* M. LE PEN…. FUCK THE DEMAGOGS !!!!
Thx thx thx and thx again for this analysis of the Prime minister’s speech.
Have you heard that the guy is in place since 100 days and everything was fine for him since his party (left wing, social democrat) got a majority.
And what’s saddly funny is that the opposition (right wing) is now trying to use this event against social democrats, and denonciates the police repression (forgetting that last year’s repression was due to them).
(if u see no problem, I’ll translate your analysis and post it to French forums)
I only saw this declaration as a populism appeal to boycot teknival. I didn’t see the further aspect (about preparing a field to introduce a law against tekno criminalz.. huhu..)
Because it really sounds like a right wing extremists’ sentences… I love the part about “strangers coming to our coutnry with their big trucks threating the freedom of property”… it sounds like our French extreme right wing motherf#*&#* M. LE PEN…. FUCK THE DEMAGOGS !!!!
Thx thx thx and thx again for this analysis of the Prime minister’s speech.
Have you heard that the guy is in place since 100 days and everything was fine for him since his party (left wing, social democrat) got a majority.
And what’s saddly funny is that the opposition (right wing) is now trying to use this event against social democrats, and denonciates the police repression (forgetting that last year’s repression was due to them).
(if u see no problem, I’ll translate your analysis and post it to French forums)
no problem – go ahead and put it on the French forum
one thing to remember though is that left and right wings of politics are the other way round in former communist countries!
one thing to remember though is that left and right wings of politics are the other way round in former communist countries!
It’s funny (tho sad) but I’ve never seen it this way.
Though I think it was true during the communist era and not so much now.
Well to go on with the topic, here are some news about the so-called “people with dangerous anarchist’s thrives” suing the Cz Gov at the European court :
http://www.praguemonitor.com/ctk/?id=20050730E01517;story=Techno-fans-to-sue-police-in-Strasbourg
in Goa, India, some of the rave parties there are now organised with full consent of the locals, many of whom provide stalls and help with safety infrastructure such as water and sanitation.
in Thailand, a German party crew which was in Thailand helped re-build the area after the tsunami disaster gained so much support their events are fully licensed and supported by the local council and even the Royal Family!
Both these countries had the traditional Asian anti-drugs ethos and were initially hostile to rave events. But by a process of legitimate negotiation with local people and authorities [not corruption and bribery to override the law of the land], a situation has been reached where all concerned can hold their events without problems. This is a situation we could all strive to attain in Europe…
I agree with GL. Trying to find some kind of harmony with the environment and the locals that sometimes have to endure days of disruption and inconvenience is key to the survival (not to mention the ethos and spirit) of the rave scene.
but I’m not sure that i agree with general lighting about the East as a model. I first went to Goa in 1998 (late by many standards) but was bowled away by parties on the beach, in bamboo forests, and the general good vibe of the scene. I went back again in december and i’m not sure whether i’m just older and more cynical or whether things had changed, but this time I noticed the effect these kinds of events have on the locals. Many of them have sided with ravers (against the police and local authorities who are now involved in “legitimising” goa’s party reputation with bacardi breezer sponsored “mega” clubs) on the basis of the extra income they can garner as chai ladies, but this is not without its costs. free parties in Goa are now extremely commericialised and you can find all kinds of tourists turning up at parties knowing nothing about the ethics behind them (burying your shit, for one, when there’s no toilet). This time round i saw at least 10 people through the course of the night trying to piss on the mats that the chai ladies had set up – too fucked up and ignorant to show any kind of respect.
the chai ladies provide an invaluable service to the ravers, and while their relationship is to a certain degree reciprocal, it is worth bearing in mind that when you travel and “colonise” someone else’s land that you treat it and them with respect.
sorry for the rant – some things to get off my chest 🙂
as for the Czech PM….
“Its neccesary to await destruction of the natural enviroment and elementary hygiene, with risk of spreading AIDS, jaundice, salmonel, etc. until all places are infested with trash. There are tons and tons of such experiences in our towns.”
propaganda like this connecting a group of people with disease and infestation (notice how he links AIDS and dirt) is sadly reminiscent of other prejudiced outcries against travellers and gypsies – seems that the alternative, the unknown, will always provoke this kind of hysterical response from the authorities. in a word – fear.
i think its so important to show support, and strength, for what just happened in Czechtek. brutality and discrimination should not be tolerated, and we should all make our voices heard 🙂
I think the “neocolonialisation” problem has always been there with raves in Asia right from the start (there was the danger of a CZ-style backlash at one point, as the Governments there alleged the Western ravers were fuelling local crime and corruption). Its a problem with lots of Western tourism to the East, not just raves.
I’m not sure if you’ve ever read my earlier posts on SE Asian raves from about 3 or 4 years ago on here or uk.music.rave but I have been extremely critical about some aspects of this for the exact reasons you mention ( my family come from SE Asia ). Random_Raver (whose family are from Thailand) also mentioned even worse stuff about how people go to TH and totally disrespect the people and environment..
I also raised this issue on psy-forum and came across a resounding wall of silence (its a good forum but there does seem to be an “ostrich mentality” when it comes to discussing the harsher issues) but one heartening thing I heard was that the local population were getting more involved.
What is going on in India is far from ideal but, still better than what is going on in Great Britain or Europe where locals are just so angry they support the cops when they go in heavy (or are the driver for them doing so) – I don’t think the Czech PM is alone in being anti-rave, and there has clearly been a simmering resentment against this event for things to have got so far in that country.
But that respect for your surroundings and the locals should and must be an integral part of raving wherever you are in the world – that is the only way we can justify using this space (particularly when it ostensibly belongs to other) for our enjoyment..
as for Czech certainly we must all make our voices heard and make it clear to the authorities in all EU countries that the actions of the Police there are unacceptable…
OTOH I think we need to look at the big picture (which is unfortunately hard for me to do as I do not understand the language and cannot read all the news sources)
there are unanswered questions here which perhaps our Czech users can help with
I’ve seen claims that the locals in CZ were OK with the festival, but is this always the case?
I can’t believe the PM thought of doing this on his own – how many others amongst the “new middle classes” of have alleged that CZ that the Czechtek was causing “social problems without adding value to the local economy” and had to be stopped (a similar backlash to that which led to the CJA being introduced in Great Britain?)
None of this ever excuses the violence or the ridiculous claims of the Czech PM about “AIDS, salmonella and other plagues” (the worst that happens really is that some people get unwell but only festival goers who did not take care of sanitation, not the locals) but it may be a case of trying to gain “hearts and minds” so people in CZ can accept this festival again – which may also mean being more mindful of issues like traffic, sanitation etc…
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