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  • @GiantMidget 379797 wrote:

    Is that the sole reason you’re voting for em though?

    All politicians are slime balls.

    i’m not voting :laugh_at: i know fuck all about politics so i wouldn’t bother.

    I am voting Green but the slim chance of decriminalisation isn’t the main reason at all (TBH I think its currently a lost cause after the mephedrone train wreck) – its more that the Green party appear to have genuinely evolved into an electable social democratic party (they took a seat in a by election with a 30% swing from the tories in the middle of Mid Suffolk which surprised me, and even more so a young Tory in Babergh crossing the floor to the Greens just before the election!)

    lib dems for me.. only party speaking sense on issues i care about like digital economy bill, legal highs, ID cards, euthanasia, prostitution.. civil liberties in general. dont give a shit about spending and the economy, id happily take a 20% pay cut for increased civil liberties

    @Iacchus 379808 wrote:

    lib dems for me.. only party speaking sense on issues i care about like digital economy bill, legal highs, ID cards, euthanasia, prostitution.. civil liberties in general. dont give a shit about spending and the economy, id happily take a 20% pay cut for increased civil liberties

    if you dont look after the economy it wont be a 20% pay cut your need to worry about, liberty is usually a luxury of rich nations not poor ones.

    that’s the problem I have, we have the ability to be quite liberal and fair, but only because of our former/current greed and capitalism. So being liberal is all very well and good, but it wont make a society wealthy, and if were not wealthy, we wont stay liberal. :crazy:

    @GiantMidget 379797 wrote:

    All politicians are slime balls.

    haha very true

    @1984 379810 wrote:

    if you dont look after the economy it wont be a 20% pay cut your need to worry about, liberty is usually a luxury of rich nations not poor ones.

    that’s the problem I have, we have the ability to be quite liberal and fair, but only because of our former/current greed and capitalism. So being liberal is all very well and good, but it wont make a society wealthy, and if were not wealthy, we wont stay liberal. :crazy:

    unfortunately this is also the dilemma the much more tolerant European countries are facing since the recession. Being a tolerant country also obviously attracts immigrants, which can lead to a myriad of issues in bad economic times…

    @General Lighting 379812 wrote:

    unfortunately this is also the dilemma the much more tolerant European countries are facing since the recession. Being a tolerant country also obviously attracts immigrants, which can lead to a myriad of issues in bad economic times…

    all gets rather complex, who the hell would be a politician!

    @1984 379810 wrote:

    if you dont look after the economy it wont be a 20% pay cut your need to worry about, liberty is usually a luxury of rich nations not poor ones.

    that’s the problem I have, we have the ability to be quite liberal and fair, but only because of our former/current greed and capitalism. So being liberal is all very well and good, but it wont make a society wealthy, and if were not wealthy, we wont stay liberal. :crazy:

    what are you basing that on? none of the issues i mentioned need affect the economy. Possibly with immigration but you can be a country that is liberal to the current population that still puts a cap on immigration. I only mentioned a pay cut because everyone is arguing over national insurance and VAT and i dont give a shit about that because it will only affect my income a bit. my rights are more important to me and there is no evidence that economic prosperity is mutually exclusive to liberalism

    @Iacchus 379816 wrote:

    what are you basing that on? none of the issues i mentioned need affect the economy. Possibly with immigration but you can be a country that is liberal to the current population that still puts a cap on immigration. I only mentioned a pay cut because everyone is arguing over national insurance and VAT and i dont give a shit about that because it will only affect my income a bit. my rights are more important to me and there is no evidence that economic prosperity is mutually exclusive to liberalism

    well it seems that nations where the population has more wealth are generally speaking more liberal. Perhaps I am mistaken I certainly haven’t got any peer reviewed studys.

    I dont think prosperity is mutually exclusive to liberalism, just that they are often linked.

    @1984 379817 wrote:

    well it seems that nations where the population has more wealth are generally speaking more liberal. Perhaps I am mistaken I certainly haven’t got any peer reviewed studys.

    I dont think prosperity is mutually exclusive to liberalism, just that they are often linked.

    The least liberal countries (ie middle east hardline muslim states) are by no means the most prosperous, and a lot of the richer countries are fairly liberal.. not liberal to the point of legal drug use etc but you can fuck whoever you want and practice whatever religion you want in the majority of the most prosperous countries.. i dont think there’s a correlation at all

    Drug use and digital economy are the only issues I see affecting the economny, and you can work around them all by enforcing private healthcare on drug users and realising that ownership of information is a flawed concept and people will spend their money in other industries

    My only concern is that the most liberal parties have the least practice in governement because we’ve been conservative for so long, so they have more chance of fucking up the ecomonmy. However as worldwide society increases in liberlism over time (which i see as inevitable – plot the course over history) then liberal parties will get more practice and conservative parties will either dwindle or change their stance

    I have no trust in any of the partys so am not voting at all

    @Iacchus 379818 wrote:

    The least liberal countries (ie middle east hardline muslim states) are by no means the most prosperous, and a lot of the richer countries are fairly liberal.. not liberal to the point of legal drug use etc but you can fuck whoever you want and practice whatever religion you want in the majority of the most prosperous countries.. i dont think there’s a correlation at all

    Drug use and digital economy are the only issues I see affecting the economny, and you can work around them all by enforcing private healthcare on drug users and realising that ownership of information is a flawed concept and people will spend their money in other industries

    My only concern is that the most liberal parties have the least practice in governement because we’ve been conservative for so long, so they have more chance of fucking up the ecomonmy. However as worldwide society increases in liberlism over time (which i see as inevitable – plot the course over history) then liberal parties will get more practice and conservative parties will either dwindle or change their stance

    but statistically speaking, I still cant think of many rich countries that are very unliberal and I cannot think of many poor countries that are very liberal. I will speak to my misses she is doing human rights for her degree she will know perhaps.

    Do you think information should not be a commodity or have value then? The digital rights bill seems fucked up to me but the intent to stop people stealing digital content seems hard to argue morally.

    I agree about the lack of practise that’s always a problem for me with the lib dem vote. That and I live in a totally conservative area (*shudders*) so there’s not a massive amount of point in voting lib dem.

    ps my GF says when she has looked into it there is a big correlation between liberity and wealth of a nation (or more specifically its people AKA china). And to some extent liberty is a luxury of rich nations, in its simplest terms.

    pps though I am not saying she is the word of God and thus it must be absolute truth but she has studied human rights and politics in some depth over the last 3 years

    @DaftFader 379819 wrote:

    I have no trust in any of the partys so am not voting at all

    I am tempted not to vote too, they all just seem to lie. No one seems to be talking major tax cuts despite the conservatives saying it was what their campaign would be based on originally. The debit works out at 3000 quid each (radio 4 said) so surly it has to be taken on soon and sorted out.

    @1984 379825 wrote:

    ps my GF says when she has looked into it there is a big correlation between liberity and wealth of a nation (or more specifically its people AKA china). And to some extent liberty is a luxury of rich nations, in its simplest terms.

    pps though I am not saying she is the word of God and thus it must be absolute truth but she has studied human rights and politics in some depth over the last 3 years

    but thats a positive correlation not a negative correlation.. ie people in china are very poor and live in a very unliberal country

    you were trying to argue that ‘liberal is all very well and good, but it wont make a society wealthy’

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