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  • I’m thinking of finally getting back into mixing, but due to lack of space and time will be using digital from now on (at some point will buy a cheap turntable simply to convert all my old skool vinyl).

    I’m considering getting this, as it does standalone mixing (from USB drives ) as well as MIDI control…

    Citronic MPX10 USB DJ Controller with Virtual DJ

    I did manage to get an “upgraded” laptop but its only my mums old one she got in Malaysia (she gave it to me as the hard drive and battery were knackered and my cousin had already got her a newer one) so is just basic Win7 Home premium with 3GB ram.//

    anyone else got one or had a go on one, or other suggestions for the same sort of price range?

    Why are these things so bloody expensive? 🙁

    I wanna build one of these one day: Hard disk turntable – YouTube

    @dubstep_joe 452905 wrote:

    Why are these things so bloody expensive? 🙁

    Dude that is actually a fraction of what sound equipment cost when I was in my teens (its still cheaper than vinyl decks)

    I wanna build one of these one day: Hard disk turntable – YouTube

    Cool but noone seems to be sharing the full info (although to be fair its quite complicated as it involves often feeding the signal from the spinning hard drive into a microcontroller (an Arduino might be OK but I’m not sure) then this signal has to be converted to midi by software..

    Unfortunately although I have two knackered hard drives I was planning to gut anyway for the magnets etc, both these and my set of screwdrivers with the torx bits are at work 8 miles away… If I manage to reorganise my room I’ll bring these back next week to look at…

    I’ve seen other plans which make use of the inside of a old style computer mouse (not the optical one). This might be easier to start with as you just plug in the mouse as you would normally and can map its signals into the software a lot easier..

    Only think I’ll say is i’ve had bad experiances with citronic stuff. It’s seams really cheaply made and not very good to use (citronic decks from a few years back that i tested)

    @DaftFader 452980 wrote:

    Only think I’ll say is i’ve had bad experiances with citronic stuff. It’s seams really cheaply made and not very good to use (citronic decks from a few years back that i tested)

    They have various construction levels. To be fair their turntables were pretty ropey but they were based on a 1980s design nicked off BSR or Garrard (you might be just slightly too young to remember this) and came from a time when beat mixing and direct drive wasn’t so common. The company itself originally went for mobile DJ’s and townie club installations (its been around for about 30 years).

    At least with digital kit all it basically is is a large encoder/switch panel and does not require the close mechanical tolerances needed for a vinyl turntable…

    Ah ok, personaly I’d still not buy it, but that’s just a grudge I hold lol.

    to be fair if its the vinyl decks they had a few years ago (the ones what try to imitate a 1200) I don’t blame you. I wouldn’t have used them either for mixing.

    Anyone else got any ideas about controllers?

    yeah it was the vinyl decks … you only have to touch them and they stop working lol.

    TBH them things were made by one Taiwan/China company and rebadged under numerous different names…. actually it seems like most electronics is like this, there are only about 20 or so factories making everything and they just rebadge the cases and designs. Even this controller is sold in other countries as an American Audio model..

    @dubstep_joe 452905 wrote:

    Why are these things so bloody expensive? 🙁

    I wanna build one of these one day: Hard disk turntable – YouTube

    found a bit more info – it just happens I’ve got two busted IBM/Hitachi deskstar drives (and if they are even still made, I strongly advise that everyone stays well away from these pieces of crap). Unfortunately I definitely don’t have the star shaped screwdriver needed to get inside one – as I mentioned earlier I might have one at work but am not 100% sure – but if not I will try and buy one next time I do a CPC/Farnell order (I wanted to gut the drives anyway for data protection reasons as some of them had work data on them).

    Anyway here is a pic of the underside of one of them

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]151168[/ATTACH]

    the connections on the orange ribbon cable is what you need to get at. The white connector it goes into has two levers on each end, push those apart and you can remove the ribbon cable. The rest of the circuit board is no longer needed – you can remove it (might be worth keeping if you ever need to recover data off a similar brand hard drive as sometimes you can do this by swapping the controllers).

    its a servo controlled motor (this is how the hard drive stays at 5400 or 7200 rpm exactly) so for this motor there are two coils with 4 connections. if you turn the motor by hand, it will create two electric signals on these connections with a phase difference. (i.e one peak of electricity will be before or after the other). This means that both the speed of rotation can be worked out (by comparing the time between pulses) and the direction (as whether a pulse from phase 1 or 2 is first will depend on this).

    looking at this one I reckon the easiest way to conect to it would be to solder to the 4 pads on the motor itself rather than the ribbon cable which is only about 4.5mm wide..

    The rest of the circuit is here (you need other components as well as the Arduino to amplify the signal from the motor, as otherwise it is not strong enough to signal to the arduino).

    TBH it isn’t the simplest of projects (this is why I’d rather buy a ready built controller!) and to get it working you’d need to have done a fair bit of electronics work including microcontroller programming and have the right test kit – though its worth starting to learn anyway if you want to do stuff like this (if you are still at school or college they might have some of the equipment)

    Arduino Forum – HDDJ:hard drive as scrollwheel/turtable-like input

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