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  • A Dutch chap received these a few years ago during the atmospherics.

    Although the main test card seen is a Philips pattern and often associated with NL it was invented in Copenhagen; although the local TV uses a German pattern.

    Sounds like the P&T/TDC used an ø for the test tone whilst Danmarks Radio used å :laugh_at:

    A lot of countries (DE, NL and NO also did this) identified whether a test pattern was from the TV broadcaster or the PTT telecom (they often owned the transmitter network) – this was encouraged by the EBU amd CEPT as it made it easier to track down any routing errors or video link failures…

    For the era (I was working as a broadcast engineer during the end of the 1990s) they are using very advanced equipment compared to what the UK and NL had (such as custom overlays on the test pattern)

    There is even a digital transmission link (the moving vertical line is added to warn if the encoder has crashed as many would just output the last contents of the framebuffer, a static image would not warn the engineers this has happened).

    I initially thought TV/2 Lorry meant the signal was from an outside broadcast van but it is a place in Copenhagen where since 1999 TV2 send the news from an old listed building. The Council are likely to have discouraged using a satellite dish or big antenna but TDC would have been able to supply a fibre circuit or multiple ISDN connections which work better with digital encoding (around 34 MB/s with more compression was normal for a newsroom, cheaper than 270MB/s for full quality video)

    At 01:48 to 02:07 there is a rap song; I assume DR is relaying the “youth station” on the soundtrack and this is in Danish (I wonder who the group is?)


      Staff

      It’s a group called Humleridderne (hops knights)

      Bajer, sig mig hvem sagde det?

      almindlig, port, påske, guld eller sne?

      Slap af drenge! – la mig lige fortælle,

      en øl skal nydes, så ikke bælle.

      Vi har forstået, så la os nu smage,

      Her, stop, der ikk mer tilbage!

      hopper på den hver gang, I er sgu skumle.

      DRENGE – det er tid til en humle!

      Øl er godt, øl er sundt,

      derfor drikker vi det året rundt.

      Humle med riddere, tre i det hele,

      ridderne med humle, der ikke vil dele.

      Vi kan samles om kaffen og bare tale,

      men bedst har vi det dog på den lokale,

      drikker og drikker os fuldstændig dumme.

      DRENGE – det er tid til en humle!

      Humle, humle, humle, humle, humle!

      Jamen dog, jamen dog, ska vi tumle

      rundt igen som vi gjorde i går?

      Hvornår? – ka I ikke huske det for.

      Vi væltede rundt, som et kæmpebundt,

      pissefulde vilde med 100 i promille,

      Og satsede hårdt på samtlige kvinder

      med en bajer i hånden – en sikker vinder.

      Jeg gir en omgang, hvis du gir to,

      så er du min ven, jep det ka du tro.

      Og hvis ikk så ka du skride, så ka du sidde og skumle.

      DRENGE – det er tid til en humle!

      Extremly bad ‘google translate’ translation

      Bajer, tell me who said it?
      plain, port, Easter, gold or snow?
      Relax boys! – Let me just tell
      a beer to be enjoyed, so do not guzzle.
      We have understood, la us taste,
      Here, stop that ‘t mer back!
      jump on it every time, you’re damn murky.
      BOYS – it’s time to hop!
      The beer is good, beer is healthy,
      Therefore we drink it year round.
      Hops with knights, three in all,
      Knights hops that do not want to share.
      We can gather around the coffee and just talk,
      but the best we have, however, at the local,
      drink and drink totally stupid.
      BOYS – it’s time to hop!
      Hop, hop, hop, hop, hop!
      Gee, gee, we ska romp
      around again like we did yesterday?
      When? – Ka I do not remember it.
      We rolled around, like a huge bundle
      piss full love 100 per thousand,
      And bet hard on all women
      with a beer in hand – a sure winner.
      I gives a game if you give two
      then you are my friend, yep it ka you believe.
      And if not it so ka you take so ka sit and murky.
      BOYS – it’s time to hop!


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        Now what they need on that test card is a girl playing noughts and crosses with an insanely evil looking doll…..

        @tryptameanie 981670 wrote:

        Now what they need on that test card is a girl playing noughts and crosses with an insanely evil looking doll…..

        SE and NO used Test card F for a few years although until 1980s it was normally derived via sent from a photo slide scanner normally only found in a TV studio and needed a specialist operator whereas the Philips and FuBK (Fernseh) patterns could be generated purely just the 1970s era tech (a hybrid of digital and analogue electronics). the BBC themselves used a modded PM5544 for some tests especially on BBC2, British Telecom sometimes used a blanco PM5544 shortly after the closedown of London Weekend Television. In the UK the test pattern would not be on the entire night until TV started again and the TV transmitter would eventually get turned off to save electric.

        The studio announcer would often remind people to turn off the TV set and pull out the mains plug.

        This was because we British ommitted some protection circuits to make our TV sets cheaper than those in NL, DE and DK; those would shut off the line output stage (that created a very strong voltage of about 25 000 volts to make the cathode ray tube operate). It used the TV signal for its timining reference; if this was absent the unprotected circuit without a signal tried to lock onto the random noise; to the point it could overheat and cause the TV set to catch fire!

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        Singapore TV used TCF but changed the centre picture to be better for multicultural skin tones; I suspect the X on the chalkboard was also in the correct locations (it is the centre marker) – the BBCs version was off several milimeteres until some prof fixed it in the late 1990s!
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        GL am I understanding that somehow the voltage was stepped up to twenty-five THOUSAND volts somehow for powering CRTsd? I heard of step=up and step-down transformers but that sounds like you needed to plug your TV into a pylon.

        very old TV’s (from 1940s era) did use a mains trafo for the EHT (like the one in a microwave) but these were unreliable and often failed in dangerous ways (often discharging toxic smoke and hot pitch)

        The LOPT was an a component in a very early type of switch mode power supply; all of these still use a trafo but feed it a much higher frequency than 50 Hz (that way the trafo can be much smaller).

        For PAL colour TV in Europe this is 15 625 Hz.

        If you still have a working CRT telly anywhere at home switch it on and you should be able to hear this high frequency (although older people often cannot hear it).

        the LOPT circuit and CRTs were made safer over the years but British sets in particular were prone to defects in this area (the transistors overheated and blew up) but at least by then didn’t usually also light the rest of the circuit boards on fire. As the CRT got quite warm it was not uncommon for pet cats to sleep on top of TV sets; they can hear the line frequency (and higher ones too). In the 1970s one chap was saved from a nasty accident because a LOPT circuit had failed and was making a very harsh utrasonic noise which made his cat suddenly jump off the TV and bolt straight out of the door. he decided to follow it out of curiosity; just as he was outside the door the room filled up with smoke and the tube imploded (scattering glass everywhere).

        German and Scandinavian ones were more reliable but cost more and would not work correctly in the UK as the frequencies used were different (some were sold here with modified circuits but were very expensive).

        it was only in the late 80s/90s the Japanese made “all Europe” sets.

        The TV repair man (who always looked older and more stressed than your Dad) was once a common sight in many neighbourhoods. He often kept his spare components in empty pipe tobacco tins. as he often had to haul the heavy set into his car and back to the workshop for testing (which had to be done carefully to avoid getting shocked).

        Iif he was married his wife would rarely enter the workshop so it was also a suitable place to smoke a pipe and listen to prog rock or pirate radio stations (a perk of the job was some components were also useful for building transmitters 😉 )

        My dads father used to repair peoples TV sets, as a side job, and my dad told me the house would be full of various components etc. Sounded like he was very in demand although as he never charged pensioners, every tv was probably owned by someone in their 70’s lol.

        One of the maintenance engineers in my team at work used to do TV repair (which is good as he knows one end of a soldering iron from the other) – we are expanding one of our residential homes and all the UK the nurse call system suppliers don’t even want our business because they can’t make their profits from selling the accessories like tails (with the red button for the nurse call) or charge for maintenance callouts as he can repair any busted call points/tails with knackered wiring and add extra devices and I already obtained the pager transmitter from a specialist company.

        Residents get TV for free in their rooms (if their relatives do not bring their set from home we keep a few spares and Freeview boxes) – TVs are cheap these days so they are often donated to the home when a resident leaves or pases away.

        TBH the bulk of adult Europeans who still watch linear TV are increasingly now middle aged and seniors which is starting to cause problems for public service broadcasters (although their downsizing of youth programming since the 1990s and the scandals affecting the BBC have made things worse) – especially in UK, NL and DE younger people often do not perceive any value in paying the TV license.

        Not sure how Denmark is coping although the unique language, high intelligence and tech awareness of citizens might help (a Denmark “TV/multimedia” license is €322 / £260!)

        One unfortunate thing I’ve noticed is in spite of DR and TDC (teledanmark) working co-operatively (unlike British Telecom which now competes with established broadcasters via sports channels as well as providing services) and putting a lot into the EBU for a small country; many productions (especially USA funded ones) do not get shared with Denmark and other Nordic countries for fear of piracy and political reasons.

        In the 1980s the BBC Receiving Station had a big tower of VHF antennas pointed towards Scandinavia and would record DR as well as the Soviet broadcasters on HF (which was one reason why me and my friends cheap pirate transmitter caused a bit of bother, as we must have totally swamped their receivers!)

        If anyone asked the journos at Caversham just why the BBC was going to such trouble to monitor a broadcaster 1000km away in a supposedly friendly nation – they would be told something like “we are helping DR make sure the sound is good quality for the Eurovision”.

        Although not a complete fib; it was of course much easier and cheaper to post a spool of tape from Copenhagen to London or use a BT line to send the audio!

        The real reason (which the engineers explained to us) was that Thatcho told them and GCHQ to “keep an ear on what those lefties, anarchists and gay people in DK are broadcasting as they are probably helping the Soviets” – although most of the Crowsley park lot were themselves also “anarchists, lefties and queers” which is why we didn’t get in big trouble for the pirate station :laugh_at:


          Staff

          :lol_big:

          Alright I’m not ignoring your posts GL but they are fucking monstrous tonight and other shit was easier and quicker to deal with lol.

          @Angel 981745 wrote:

          :lol_big:

          it was around the same time the gay dude with the mullet wearing a CCCP (USSR) sports jacket you posted a picture of a while back was on the radio in Denmark.

          We didn’t even have a regular FM frequency for youth programming on BBC Radio 1 back then, we had to listen on AM which is no good for music as FM it was allocated to Radio 2 and their middle aged pedos.

          The Receiving Station engineer actually warned us (30 years ago!) to be careful about certain presenters if we ever got work experience placements at the BBC (Caversham also handles internal staff investigations for the BBC).

          Today the Receiving Station is an empty (but highly secure) building with just a couple of racks of remotely operated Rohde & Schwarz monitoring equipment and a satellite receiver that relays some foreign TV channels to the main Caversham site. Today Caversham uses fast Internet links from BT to scrape this forums content (and many others) using covert bots and store it for the BBC and “other selected partners” to inspect (which is why during the boom time of illegal raves the .com site was often featured on the BBC).

          They do not attempt to get at encrypted or private areas but any items of particular concern/interest (if not used by BBC “investigative” journos for sting ops although nowadays they are going for easier targets like teenagers selling drugs on instagram) can be instantly relayed to Metpol/NCA and GCHQ (they did the same regarding pirate radio broadcasts and unlicensed use of other comms equipment in the 80s)

          OMFG et least PM me or somehting lmao, omfg I just settled finally to read the 1st post and then I see you’ve already written another whopper. Tssting of 2c-b-fly is preventing me from even beginning to decipher what those messages, in this thread mean lol.

          TBH if I had taken anything like that I would not even be able to read this screen, let alone type straight…..

          Well, I’ve had plenty of practice and 15mg seems like a moderate dose for me personally (and from what I’ve read, certainly not the animal 18mg was suggesting high dose/response curve….) but as I say, have had plenty of practice typing bullshit on the intertubes….

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