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I was talkin to a 19 yr old student yesterday about holocaust memorial day. an she said ‘oh yeah, the nazis, they killed some jews didnt they?’
she was a university student, she was very nice but she really wasnt sure what the nazis had done
I found this really surprising, i had thought that everyone knew what happened
it made me think, i’m not knocking her (schools teach what they teach)
I’m just wondering if its a common attitude or perhaps a generational thing (i’m old enough to be her mum) and World War 2 is slipping out of living memory now, my grandad fought in the war but she may not have any family history you know?
so is it a usual attitude or is it unusual, i’d be interested to know?
Im 22 i know what the did in world war 2 im quite shocked to be honest we did a history and english crossover we studied ww2 poems in english and obviously lernt about the war in history, i think that it is quite shocking for a 19 year old not to know that. Or maybe its just that she didnt pay attention in class
I think its more people “blocking out bad/depressing news” and dumbing themselves down than any lack of information
most kids get taught loads about WW II in high school even today
there is a world war II documentary of some sort on every few weeks on telly and tons of websites with real info from people who were there (many OAPs are still fit enough to use a computer even if they are suffering mobility problems, todays computers can be made easy to use even if they have bad eyesight etc so many are contributing their own memories to online resources)
I don’t mean to be “sexist” but also could be a gender thing
Many girls and women don’t like learning about war, death and destruction and as soon as they no longer need to “know” this forget about what they learned at high school unless its part of their uni course or they are a campaigner
Young boys and men aren’t as squeamish (to the point they can develop an unhealthy fascination with it, or want to join the military themselves or at least “play soldiers” (hence the popularity of computer wargames))
what I find far more worrying is some of the young men across Europe I see online who actually have studied military history closely and clearly have an admiration for Hitler and fascism even in the 21st century (some have even gone as far as to carry out or attempt to carry out terrorist attacks) :hopeless:
We studied it at school, I thought everyone was thought about it at school as a big part of history. I heard of 1 northern school that decided to drop the holocaust from the history curriculum though.
I actually thought anyone who knew about the war (should be pretty much everyone) knew about it.
Must be really hard to teach about history now..
There’s so many wars everywhere and you can’t cover them all..
Not sure there’s a rule saying that 25% or 50% of the history lessons have to be about WW2..
Maybe younger teachers have another point of view about what’s important..
WW2 was a terrible war, but there are so many terrible wars around the world right now too
I can’t say what’s most important for our kids to learn :hopeless:
lots of wars now, yes. Change in syllabuses (sp?) yes. female attitudes, poss? what should we teach em, yes def
glad its not all that common tho, really surprised me
I think the history of World War II must still always be taught in schools as all current history of Europe and the wider world is still shaped by it around it.
The Cold War, the formation of NATO and the EU, the rise of the USA and the fall of the British Empire (its finances overstretched by WW II) etc..
It was also was at that point that science/technology invented or perfected many of the things we take for granted today like computers and international telecommunications (they were only released to the public after the war).
some bits of WWII are still active, the Japanese have refused to completely sign peace treaties which concede some pokey little islands to other nations. Their current stubborn determination to hunt whales is also a sovereignty/territory thing (most Japanese don’t even want to eat the things!)
Also I think those who learn as much as they can about survival in austerity conditions will do well in the near future as World War III escalates due to the resource wars over oil..
I find it strange sometimes that everyone is horrified by the what the Nazi’s did Even tho they were completely fucking evil. If you look further back through history many countries even we British has been just as cruel. but no one mentions it as much as we do about the Germans. Mankind is a pretty brutal species if you think about it ain’t we! :you_crazy
it is recent, and in western europe, it should never have happend, humans are bad but the nazis were evil on an industrial scale, im planning to visit auswitz this november
cant believe she didnt know what the Nazi’s did!!
AFAIK concentration camps were a UK invention. Fair enough I don’t think we had gas chambers, but Lord Kitchener definately had some seriously sketchy accomodation for non combatants during the Boer/ South African War (I think they are the same thing but I always get confused by that).
there have also been atrocities in very recent times in Eastern Europe (1990s kosovo/bosnia).
I also think more recent “history” should be taught, and also the reality of hte British Empire – but the realities are that it would inflame feelings so much that many high schools and universities would erupt into inter-ethnic conflict (some already are on the verge of this!) unless the effects were carefully managed.
also I don’t believe all the crap about “we were only following orders” or “groupthink”- I think many people who commit atrocities know exactly what they are doing / have done , and are unrepentant.
Only recently an OAP was nicked from his nursing home for war crimes (can’t remember if it was in UK or another EU nation). One big bit of evidence was the fact he had kept his photo of himself in SS uniform and had it up by his bed, clearly he slept easily despite knowing what he had done
in more recent times you get youths who have fought in guerilla wars in countries (or know many who have done), they come to London “to get more peaceful lifes” and then start robbing and terrorising people and playing up to their national sterotypes, bragging about it on bebo etc..
the simple fact is many young men enjoy “war”, its what our testosterone drives us to do. stuff like sport, gangs, activism or even raves (particularly the challenge of unlicensed ones) perhaps are a subsitute in todays world for war – the issue for society is directing the energy in a positive way…
Was it something like this?
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i thought everyone got taught about the nazi’s and world war II in school. you should know atleast a bit about it anyway though.
i agree that genocides have happened before and now etc an that we discount them at our peril an don’t give them the attention they deserve
i think the nazi atrocities are noted due to the scale, the systematic methodology, and business-like way in which they did it
it seems one thing to commit murder in the heat of the moment and on a relaitively short time scale, but when its done meticulously and systematically planned over a long period of years that’s a different thing
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