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March 23, 2008 at 8:31 pm

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Joker78

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Noname, the reason I can’t really understand the question is because it is impossible to stand outside of so-called ‘reality’ and make an objective observation. What we collectively describe as ‘consensus reality’ could be (probably is) a complete illusion. Our senses and our brains can only delivery a minute portion of the information out there. I am not so sure that our senses tell us much about reality.

Tarifa put it well stressing that reality was a product of the senses and subjective. I can accept this as well as accepting that the senses tell us nothing. Contradictory! I know, but that is the nature of this unanswerable question.

With a question like this if you think you have the answer you almost certainly don’t. Have to ask it though.
March 23, 2008 at 10:30 pm

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Jon 79

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Back in 2002:
The first time I took magic mushrooms, I’d just watched The Matrix the night before.
With the film fresh in my mind, I came to the conclusion that it was real. … or at least that it’s premise was real.
I thought reality does exist but, it could actually be a false reality.
…Then I came to the conclusion that was mentioned earlier: That I cannot necessarily trust my senses, because I was on drugs. … I figured that anything I perceived whists tripping, wasn’t necessarily there. …Which made me realise that that concept was valid when I wasn’t tripping.
Only one thing I knew for sure: I exist. I think therefore I am…
…It was at this point that I thought it’d be a great idea to show my housemate the end of the film Dark Star. :crazy_diz

Nowdays I realise reality exists for everyone who is conscious/capable of thought. All our realities differ because we are all unique, and though we can perceive the same things in the same way, everyone of us has a unique perspective of the world we live in.
March 23, 2008 at 10:50 pm

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Joker78

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I appreciate, and to a degree agree with, reality being a subjective product of our thoughts, feelings, senses and perceptions. On the other hand, I have a huge problem with the idea that reality just that. I get a pervasive feeling that as conscious entities it is our very senses and perceptions that create the all enveloping illusion that we call reality whilst actually obscuring the truth behind the veil.

In essense that is why I struggle to make sense of the original question.

It’s one of the ‘big’ questions, and we all have to ask it, but do the answers, ideas or conclusions we draw actually have anything meaningful to tell us?

A very reliable source once said to me ‘There are no questions and no answers, it is what it is’.
March 23, 2008 at 10:55 pm

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Jon 79

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JulesDogg wrote:

I appreciate, and to a degree agree with, reality being a subjective product of our thoughts, feelings, senses and perceptions. On the other hand, I have a huge problem with the idea that reality just that. I get a pervasive feeling that as conscious entities it is our very senses and perceptions that create the all enveloping illusion that we call reality whilst actually obscuring the truth behind the veil.

In essense that is why I struggle to make sense of the original question.

If you died, would the universe still exist?
If the whole human raced passed away, would the earth still be here?
If all life in the universe suddenly ceased to be, would there still be… ahh, what’s the point?

😉
March 25, 2008 at 12:46 am

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noname

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Jon 79 wrote:

If you died, would the universe still exist?
If the whole human raced passed away, would the earth still be here?
If all life in the universe suddenly ceased to be, would there still be… ahh, what’s the point?

😉

If a tree falls in the forest when no-one is near, does it still make a sound?

😉
March 25, 2008 at 12:49 am

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DaftFader

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noname wrote:

If a tree falls in the forest when no-one is near, does it still make a sound?

😉

we have had this in another post i can’t be bothered to explain it again .. but if you looks for a post with that tital then you will find the knowlage you are after and become enlightened :weee:
March 25, 2008 at 12:56 am

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Joker78

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noname wrote:

If a tree falls in the forest when no-one is near, does it still make a sound?:wink:

Noname, the oldies are always the best. I thought about this for 918.976 days. I concluded that if it cannot be heard then there was no sound.
March 25, 2008 at 1:25 am

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MisterDuck

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JulesDogg wrote:

Noname, the oldies are always the best. I thought about this for 918.976 days. I concluded that if it cannot be heard then there was no sound.

There is no sound.

“Sound is the vibration of matter, as perceived by the sense of hearing.”

If no ear is around to convert that vibration into sound, then there is no sound, only the vibration of matter.

Bear in mind that it doesn’t exclusively mean a human ear.
March 25, 2008 at 1:27 am

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DaftFader

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boothy wrote:

There is no sound.

“Sound is the vibration of matter, as perceived by the sense of hearing.”

If no ear is around to convert that vibration into sound, then there is no sound, only the vibration of matter.

Bear in mind that it doesn’t exclusively mean a human ear.

my point exactly :bounce_fl
March 25, 2008 at 1:30 am

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MisterDuck

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The real question is: is there a soundwave? :laugh_at:
March 25, 2008 at 1:38 am

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Joker78

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boothy wrote:

The real question is: is there a soundwave? :laugh_at:

The ‘other’ real question is: is there a perceiver?:surprised
March 25, 2008 at 1:39 am

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DaftFader

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boothy wrote:

The real question is: is there a soundwave? :laugh_at:

there is a waveform yes .. and it is in the audible range of the human ear .. but it’s only called a sound wave because when you are in hearing distance from it you can hear it as sound … every thing is a wave light micro waves sound every thing basicaly has it’s own freqancy of wave … the only reason it’s called a sound wave is because we hear it as a sound … esentualy it is just a wave but in the freqency range that humans have dubed sound waves…
March 25, 2008 at 5:51 am

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Joker78

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DaftFader wrote:

there is a waveform yes .. and it is in the audible range of the human ear .. but it’s only called a sound wave because when you are in hearing distance from it you can hear it as sound … every thing is a wave light micro waves sound every thing basicaly has it’s own freqancy of wave … the only reason it’s called a sound wave is because we hear it as a sound … esentualy it is just a wave but in the freqency range that humans have dubed sound waves…

Daft, is this moving towards ‘string theory’?
March 25, 2008 at 1:27 pm

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Jon 79

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boothy wrote:

There is no sound.

“Sound is the vibration of matter, as perceived by the sense of hearing.”

If no ear is around to convert that vibration into sound, then there is no sound, only the vibration of matter.

Bear in mind that it doesn’t exclusively mean a human ear.

…perhaps a squirrel heard it fall?
Although with no-one else around, who’s gonna believe him?
March 25, 2008 at 1:30 pm

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MisterDuck

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Jon 79 wrote:

…perhaps a squirrel heard it fall?
Although with no-one else around, who’s gonna believe him?

I was presuming “nobody” meant no living creature. If a squirrel heard it fall then the last sentence applies and yes it would make a sound.

Really the question is phrased awfully, but then most of the time it’s used rhetorically.
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