Lo demas son mierdas.
Como las q enterramos alli.
Respect the place and people who live there.
Fuck police!!!
Fuck SYSTEM!!!
yes maybe if the policewoman was fit but as for fucking the sound system!? that sounds a bit wrong
I’ve just found the following statement supposedly written by me…
Fiestas and Carnivals in Orgiva
By Supporting the Festival this year you will be supporting violence, ignorance and mindless hatred.
We have now reached the stage here where the mindless, childish, ignorant hypocrites who have encouraged the “come all rape and pillage attitude” of the Dragon festival have now reaped the whirlwind. As a result of the escalating madness each year the authorities who own the river bed site have acted, digging holes for thousands of trees, thus making it rather hard to park/camp/party. As these idiots can’t really hurt the authorities (apart from vandelising the digger) they have turned on the residents of Ciggarones who in their ignorance they blame for the tree planting (as if the Spanish authorities take any notice of what we foreigners think!). They are spraying paint on cars, throwing stones, shouting abuse, and assaulting people in their cars as they drive home. All because they couldn’t see beyond their pathetic “right to party and any one who disagrees is an old fart”. By Supporting the Festival this year you will be supporting violence, ignorance and mindless hatred.
Unless a sensible alternative venue is found please stay away this year. The festival was always about celebration not suffering. Right now people are suffering abuse, real hateful, hurtful abuse.
It must not be supported or encouraged in any way.
A plea by Dr Bunsen; 18-02-2009 at 08:58 AM.
lol wow, some people really have something against this festival
me parece exagerado el hecho de que se quiera impedir tan imperiosamente que se celebre este año…hay gente que aun no lo ha catado como yo y me haría muchisima ilusion disfrutar de los que otros disfrutaron, y no tendria porque haber destruccion ni degradamiento del medio ambiente, no hemos sido nosotros, han sido las autoridades de alli las que han decidido dejarlo todo hecho un asco para espantarnos..de verdad os dan tanto miedo? es el campo por favor…aqui quien manda es la naturaleza no las sucias autoridades y sus gruas joder…vamos a hacerlo bien,con respeto y alegria y a pasarselo bien sobretodo , no cuesta trabajo recoger tu mierda y no destruir todo lo que veas a tu alrededor no?
Venga gente…no rendirse….quedan pocas cosas como esta en el mundo…
:group_hug
If you are planning to come to ORGIVA
this is written as if the person was actualy at ciggy at the time of wrighting it … so either it’s some one else called dr. bunsen … or it’s not a dr. bunsen at all (i am assuming you didn’t wright that dr. b by your responce and you weren’t at ciggy:wink:)
WELL WELL…
WE HAVE A FESTIVAL GOING ON IN SPAIN IN ANDALUCIA!
A FESTIVAL IS NORMAL IN SPAIN…
WHY IS THERE SO MUCH MUCHO HENTE HERE…
WHAT IS IT HERE THAT IS BREEDING THIS ANARCHIC ENERGY FORCE THAT IS SENDING HATE TO THE LITTLE HUMBLE VILLAGES THAT CARRY THE TORCH ALSO FOR THAT VALLEY…
THERE ARE CHILDREN AS IS ABOVE BELOW…
WHAT IS GOING ON DOWN THERE…
A RETURN TO OLD WAYS AND NEW HAPPY FUTURE…
PEEPS ORGANISERS OF THE EVENT SHOULD BY NOW BEE WORKING TOGETHER WITH THE PEOPLE OF THE HAMLETS TO HAVE A MUTUAL CELEBRATION OF LIFE AND NOT JUST YOUR ART WHICH COULD BE SEEN AS SELFISH AND FOR ONES OWN GAIN!!
COME ON YOU SHOULD BE WORKING TO BRING A PEACEFUL GATHERING TOGETHER!!
YOU ARE NOT IN BRITAIN NOW AND DO NOT HAVE TO BE ANARCHISTS ANYMORE…YOU CAN NOW JUST RELAX…WHY DO THE LOCALS NOT COME IN THEIR MASSES WITH THEIR CHILDREN FAMILIES!!
AND I AM TALKING ABOUT THE OLD SCHOOL HERE…
THE FARMERS WITH THEIR MOUNTAIN FAMILIES AND WHO LIVE AS IS ABOVE IS BELOW…
This may come across a bit harsh , but i have just heard that a young father in the village of LOS CIGARONNES that is the village that the festival is built on and around from the oldschool elders that founded the village… that birthed this beautiful mother of invention… proper rock and rolla…
HAS BEEN ATTACKED BY ASSAILANTS MASKED HE WAS SLASHED!
WITH A KNIFE!!
NOW THIS IS NOT GOOD…
THE MAN IS MARRIED TO A SPANISH WIFE AND THEY HAVE CHILDREN IN THE VILLAGE…
WHEN MY WIFE HAD JUST HAD HER BABY BOY ON THE TERRACE UP ABOVE THE FESTIVAL SITE IN OUR YURT ON THE TERRACES UNDER A SHARON FRUIT TREE…HE WAS THE ONLY PERSON TO OFFER MY DEAR LADY A HOT BATH… IF THAT IS NOT A SAINT!
WHAT IS!
PLEASE SOLIDARITY IS WHAT IS NEEDED HERE…
WHAT ABOUT BATTLE OF THE BEANFIELDS AND THE PEACEFULL WARRIORS THAT WOULD COME FROM ALL AROUND BRITIAN TO FIND PEACE AT THEIR FESTIVAL…
ONE WOULD WONDER IF WILLIAM S BURROUGHS WAS RIGHT IN SAYING THAT IN THE NEAR FUTURE RIGHT WINGERS WILL USE DRUG HYSTERIA AND I QUOTE THE WORD HYSTERIA AS A PRETEXT TO SET UP A FORM OF POLICE APPARATUS!!
PEACE PEACE PEACE….DIY….SPIRALS AND A WHOLE LOT MORE …VARIOUS 23’S
I REALLY THINK B4 YOU PUT ON A PARTY EVERYONE SHOULD BE FEELING THE ESPIRITU SANTOS…COME ON THIS IS NOT GLASTONBURY FESTIVAL…
ONE OF THE DRAGON ALLIANCE ALMOST GOT LEFT FOR DEAD LAST YEAR BY FOLKS RUFFIANS FROM BRISTOL…WHAT AND HE IS ONE OF THE LEADERS OF THE PINK PARADE…
JOHN LENNON SAID IT AND HE GOT SHOT…
ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
ALL WE ARE SAYING IS GIVE PEACE A CHANCE
BARRINGTON LEVY SAYING BABYLON IS ALL OVER ME SINGING WOOOOHOWA SEE DIDDLY WOAA… OOOA….
WHO IS POLICING THE EVENT…BECAUSE THIS IS FOUL PLAY AND THIS CANNOT HAPPEN… WHERE IS THE SPIRIT IN THIS VANESSA… C’MON SISTER… BRING ALL THE VILLAGES TOGETHER SIT DOWN AND FIRST AND THEN AND ONLY THEN WHEN THERE IS A UNIFIED FIELD OF LOVE CAN A FESTIVAL TAKE PLACE IN THE SPIRIT OF THE PLACE…
ELSE YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM THAT IS LIKE THE BLOOD ON THE SOIL…
BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT THERE SEEMS TO BE A REOCURRING PALESTINE / ISRAEL… SAME THING!!
NEED S TO BE RESOLVED… THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ALL YOU FESTIVAL GOERS COMING HERE AND PISSING, SHITTING, TAKING DRUGS AND THEN GOING BACK TO YOUR LIVES WHERE EVER…
WHAT ABOUT THE NATURE OF LIFE…
LIFE
LIFE AND LIFE ITSELF SHOULD BE A PARTY ATMOS ALL THE TIME AS WE STRIVE TOWARDS A BALANCED PERSPECTIVE AND FUTURE OF LIFE LOVE AND LIBERTY…
PEACE AND MUCH LOVE…
THIS IS SIRIUS THOUGH WHEN SOMEONE IS SLASHED IN THE HOME ARENA OF WHERE A FESTIVAL IS HAPPENING… C’MON PARTY PEOPLE WE NEED FEED BACK AND ANTI IS NO GOOD FOR ANYBODY… LIFE REPRESENTING LIFE IS WHAT IT IS ABOUT…BUT IF THE SPANISH PEEPS THINK IT IS MUCHO HENTE THEN WE HAVE A PROBLEM…
SOME SIRIUS HEALING NEEDS TO BE CHANNELED… ANARCHY PUT YOUR GUITARS DOWN AND GET OUT YOUR SINGING BOWLS…
TOO MUCH BACK STABBING AND NOT ENUFF LOVE UNITY…
I THINK WE NEED A BIT OF THE OLD HIPPY HORSE DRAWN SPIRIT… NO RIGS THIS YEAR… TAKE A LEAF OUT OF THE OLD ANDALUCIAN BOOK… HEY BUT THERE IS NOT EVEN ANY WATER… SO WHAT YOU END UP DYING BECAUSE YOU DRANK TOO MUCH BEER…?
SIRIUS GO THERE AS A PILGRIM OR NOT AT ALL…
THIS LAND IS SACRED ENOUGH BLOOD WAS SPILLED DURING THE FRANCO REGIME…NOT NOW!!
C’MON PEOPLE I KNOW USED TO GET SHOT AT PICKING ORANGES FOR MOTHER MARYS SAKE…
GODDESS KNOWS THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE!!
AND ALL YOU PEOPLE GOING FROM THE UK… THINK YOUR PARTIES HERE ARE COOL… WELL THEY ARE NOT THERE IS NOT AN OUNCE OF COLOR AT ALL THE FREE PARTIES I HAVE BEEN TOO… WHERE IS THE DIY SPIRIT LAZY HOUSE CULTURE… ALL FRIZZLY COLORS AND BEAUTIFUL KNITWEAR…
THE RAGGA TWINS PUT IT CLEAR…
STOP TAKING DRUGS AND RETURN TO THE GOOD TIMES… LET IT ROLL..
THIS YEAR SHOULD BE A THEME OF VEGGIE NO BLOOD AND BONES IN MY KITCHEN AND ONLY A TOTAL ACOUSTIC NO ELECTRIC TOTALLY REGGAE REGGAE VIBE OF LOVE PEACE AND UNITY WITH SOME SLY AND THE FAMILY STONE IF I MAKE IT UNTIL TOMORROW I WILL SURVIVE WORLDWIDE… AND I DONT DO REGGAE BUT HEY IT IS WHAT HE VALLEY NEDS… PEACE LOVE AND UNITY… LOVE AND LIFE VIBES… NO BOOM BOOM… ANRCHY OF THE SILVER SPOONERS… NO MORE… GIVE PEACE A CHANCE… BOURGOISE BOURGOISE WHO ARE YOU ALL AGAINST… SILLY PUPPIES… YOUNGER BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE HAVE A HARD ROAD TO TRAVEL BUT IF WE PUT OUR MINDS AND HEARTS AND VOICES TO REAL WORK OF HARMONY THEN WE CAN MAKE CHANGE… IS THIS NOT WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT…
DRUM CLUB PUT IT NICELY…
RAVERS, VEGGIES, PROTESTERS, CONSCIOUS PEOPLE COME TOGETHER AND EVOLVE… NOT REVOLVE GOING ROUND AND ROUND IN A CIRCUS WARP OR NORMAL… HIGHLY EVOLVED BEINGS IS THE RAW MENU OF THE DAY…. THEN YOU WILL ATTRACT ABUNDANCE…
PEACE Zeshan father of three… one born there just before the dragon… he was ordained by chief one dragon younger elder brother DRAGON BOY… I AM SKY HIGH WITH MY FEET FIRMY IN THE GROUND…
NO TERROR JUST TERRA FIRMA… NO TERROR JUST TERRA FIRMA..
WE NEED LOVE AND UNITY… FOR ALL LANDS AROUND THE WORLD….
THERE ARE MUCH BETTER PLACES TO BE GOING TO A FESTIVAL THIS YEAR… TOO MUCH POLITICS AT THE MOMENT!
THIS IS TRUE..I HAVE NO REASON TO USE MY WASH TIME TELING YOU THIS… A LOT OF ENERGY TO WRITE… HOPE THIS FINDS YOU ALL WELL… SMILINGLY ANSWER CEASE…WITH HIS LYRICAL LIPS…
PEACE… AND ALOHA NUI LOA…
I AM SORRY PLEASE FORGIVE ME
I LOVE YOU… THANK YOU
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.
raaa:cry::group_hugraaa
Totalmente de acuerdo con este comentario.
1. No es una fiesta pacífica (se han producido agresiones a residentes del valle)
2. No es una fiesta que une, es una fiesta que DIVIDE
3. Jamás se ha pedido opinión ni se ha tenido en cuenta a los habitantes autóctonos del valle (Tíjola, Tablones y Órgiva)
4. No es una fiesta para TODO EL MUNDO porque para los habitantes autóctonos no hay ningún espacio pensado para ellos. Además no me imagino a los pobres campesinos yendo a bailar ante esos enormes altavoces con esa música (muy respetable, pero no apta para todos los oídos), ni a las familias yendo con los niños a pasear por el río (como se ha hecho aquí de toda la vida) para ver la “Celebración de la Primavera” (porque no es tal).
5. Es una fiesta muy politizada, tanto por los organizadores y parte de los asistentes como por las autoridades.
6. La mayoría de la gente que viene, llega, deja sus resíduos, pisotea y arranca toda la hierba nueva que está naciendo (primavera), roba naranjas y limones para vender los zumitos a 1 €, y se van cada uno a su sitio y nos dejan el valle lleno de basura y sin Primavera.
7. Hablo con conocimiento de causa, pues vivo en la zona.
VAMOS A DEJARNOS DE EGOÍSMOS Y HEDONISMOS Y SI HAY QUE CELEBRAR LA PRIMAVERA SE CELEBRA, PERO POR FAVOR, DENTRO DE LOS PARÁMETROS QUE MANDA LA NATURALEZA, COMO SON: EL RESPETO, EL SILENCIO, LA AUSENCIA DE VEHÍCULOS, LA AUSENCIA DE EQUIPOS DE SONIDO CON ELECTRICIDAD O COMBUSTIBLE Y TODAS ESAS COSAS QUE SE SUPONE QUE LA GENTE QUE VIENE (QUE SON TAN ECO-PACIFISTAS) YA SABEN DE ANTEMANO.
Y sobre todo hay que respetar a los habitantes autóctonos del valle. Que como dice el amigo del comentario, bastante sangre hubo ya aquí en la guerra civil y en la represión de la dictadura. Vamos a intentar llevarnos bien y dejarnos de conflicto que los autóctonos no tenemos ganas de volver a la misma historia de odios y conflictos. Y os ruego a los organizadores radicales del Dragón: No sigáis sembrando odio en el valle, que lo que se siembra se recoge. Lo sabemos muy bien aquí, que nos hemos dedicado de siempre a la agricultura.
No vengais aquí como los portadores de la libertad, porque si libertad consiste en ponerse hasta el culo libremente de todo, qué pobre concepto de la libertad tienen algunos. No seáis como los USA que fueron a Irak a “llevar la libertad”, dejadnos evolucionar, nosotros aquí hemos tenido otras circunstancias históricas, sociales, culturales y naturales. Dejad que la naturaleza siga su curso y no estropeeis el valle, que bastante destrozado está ya con los malditos hoyos.
Salud, paz y amor, pero de verdad.
1. No es una fiesta pacífica (se han producido agresiones a residentes del valle)
2. No es una fiesta que une, es una fiesta que DIVIDE
3. Jamás se ha pedido opinión ni se ha tenido en cuenta a los habitantes autóctonos del valle (Tíjola, Tablones y Órgiva)
4. No es una fiesta para TODO EL MUNDO porque para los habitantes autóctonos no hay ningún espacio pensado para ellos. Además no me imagino a los pobres campesinos yendo a bailar ante esos enormes altavoces con esa música (muy respetable, pero no apta para todos los oídos), ni a las familias yendo con los niños a pasear por el río (como se ha hecho aquí de toda la vida) para ver la “Celebración de la Primavera” (porque no es tal).
5. Es una fiesta muy politizada, tanto por los organizadores y parte de los asistentes como por las autoridades.
6. La mayoría de la gente que viene, llega, deja sus resíduos, pisotea y arranca toda la hierba nueva que está naciendo (primavera), roba naranjas y limones para vender los zumitos a 1 €, y se van cada uno a su sitio y nos dejan el valle lleno de basura y sin Primavera.
7. Hablo con conocimiento de causa, pues vivo en la zona.
VAMOS A DEJARNOS DE EGOÍSMOS Y HEDONISMOS Y SI HAY QUE CELEBRAR LA PRIMAVERA SE CELEBRA, PERO POR FAVOR, DENTRO DE LOS PARÁMETROS QUE MANDA LA NATURALEZA, COMO SON: EL RESPETO, EL SILENCIO, LA AUSENCIA DE VEHÍCULOS, LA AUSENCIA DE EQUIPOS DE SONIDO CON ELECTRICIDAD O COMBUSTIBLE Y TODAS ESAS COSAS QUE SE SUPONE QUE LA GENTE QUE VIENE (QUE SON TAN ECO-PACIFISTAS) YA SABEN DE ANTEMANO.
Y sobre todo hay que respetar a los habitantes autóctonos del valle. Que como dice el amigo del comentario, bastante sangre hubo ya aquí en la guerra civil y en la represión de la dictadura. Vamos a intentar llevarnos bien y dejarnos de conflicto que los autóctonos no tenemos ganas de volver a la misma historia de odios y conflictos. Y os ruego a los organizadores radicales del Dragón: No sigáis sembrando odio en el valle, que lo que se siembra se recoge. Lo sabemos muy bien aquí, que nos hemos dedicado de siempre a la agricultura.
No vengais aquí como los portadores de la libertad, porque si libertad consiste en ponerse hasta el culo libremente de todo, qué pobre concepto de la libertad tienen algunos. No seáis como los USA que fueron a Irak a “llevar la libertad”, dejadnos evolucionar, nosotros aquí hemos tenido otras circunstancias históricas, sociales, culturales y naturales. Dejad que la naturaleza siga su curso y no estropeeis el valle, que bastante destrozado está ya con los malditos hoyos.
Salud, paz y amor, pero de verdad.
Totally in agreement with this commentary.
1. It is not a pacific celebration (resident aggressions of the valley have taken place)
2. It is not a celebration that unites, is a celebration that DIVIDES
3. Opinion has been requested nor never has considered the native inhabitants of the valley (Tíjola, Tablones and Órgiva)
4. It is not a celebration for Everybody because for the native inhabitants there is no space thought for them.
In addition I do not imagine to the poor farmers going to dance before those enormous loudspeakers with that music (very respectable, but nonapt for all the ears), nor to the families going with the children to take a walk by the river (since it has been made here of all the life) to see ” Celebration of the Primavera” (because it is not so).
5. It is a celebration very politicized, as much by the organizers and leaves from the assistants like by the authorities.
6. The majority of the people who come, arrives, leaves its residues, pisotea and takes all the new grass that is being born (spring), robs oranges and lemons to sell the zumitos to 1 €, and they go away each to its site and they leave the full valley us of sweepings and without Spring.
7. I speak with knowledge of cause, because alive in the zone.
WE ARE GOING TO LEAVE US OF EGOISMS AND HEDONISMOS AND IF THERE IS TO CELEBRATE THE SPRING IS CELEBRATED, BUT PLEASE, WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT SENDS THE NATURE, EG: THE RESPECT, THE SILENCE, THE ABSENCE OF VEHICLES, THE ABSENCE OF SOUND EQUIPMENT WITH ELECTRICITY OR FUEL AND ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ASSUME THAT THE PEOPLE WHO COME ALREADY (THAT ARE SO ECO-PACIFISTAS) THEY KNOW BEFOREHAND.
And mainly it is necessary to respect the native inhabitants of the valley. That as says the friend of the commentary, blood had enough already here in the civil war and the repression of the dictatorship. We are going to try to take us and to leave us of conflict well that the native ones we do not have desire to return to the same history of hatreds and conflicts.
And I request the radical organizers of the Dragoon:
You do not continue seeding hatred in the valley, that what sowing takes shelter.
We know it very well here, that we have dedicated ourselves of always to agriculture. Not vengais here like the carriers of the freedom, because if freedom consists of putting itself freely until the ass of everything, what poor concept of the freedom has some. You are not like the USA that went to Iraq to ” to take libertad”, dejadnos to evolve, we have had other historical, social, cultural and natural circumstances here. You leave nature it follows its course and not estropeeis the valley, that destroyed enough is already with the damn holes.
Health, peace and love, but really.
pero vamos a otro lado no???
Hola de nuevo:
Qando hemos trminado el curro a mediodia nos hemos decidido y nos hemos ido para cigarrones. No hay un maldito sitio donde acampar, organización 0, los ingleses escondidos sin kerer saber de nada y no hay nada k ver.
Ya lo suponiamos pq habiamos venido hace unas semanas, hemos kerido darnos 1 ultima oportunidad pero nos hemos ido x donde hemos venido.
dicen k en santafe se va a hacer algo, mñna vamos xra alla a ver k pasa y si no xra casa.
despues de venir varios años a cigarrones pued decir hoy k dimito de ste falso dragon. espero k se haga en otro sitio con su verdadero espiritu.
Paz y amor.
se me olvidaba:
como no hay donde dejar la furgo y acampar hemos preguntado i podiamos dejarla dentro de las tierras privadas y nos han pedido 600 euros. alucinante.
lista de trolls conocidos (fascist trolls)
Matagringajos deserves no attention. It’s better to ignore that type of lunacy then try to challenge it.
¿muy triste pasarse el dia engañando,verdad?
¿no te llega para pagar la hipoteca?
un autentico payaso haciendo multinick, lo siento, vamos a ir, no puedes hacer nada, nos reimos EN TU CARA cantando y bailando
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nos vemos en el dragon
pues viendo lo que decís creo que pasaré de ir pa ya, a ver si hacen algo en el pantano de cubillas o por ahi que hay bastante espacio
I am not against the festival. I work as VJ on many parties and festivals all over Europe. I am just saying it is in wrong place for the form it has taken in last years.
If people are into REAL freedom they should take look at what this man is saying….It dosen’t matter if some of the locals are facists, they are everywhere and have to be dealt with in other forums and by other means. The thing is that the partygoers are, by going to this festi, violating one mans freedom and as a old hardliner anarchist I cant stand by and just watch this. Its time to MOVE ON and find another way to acheive the feeling of freedom that you are searching for. This is not the way ahead!
El civismo es una norma para la conducta de comentarios y páginas de discusión.
La gente que escribe sus opiniones aquí proceden de diferentes países y culturas, y tienen distintos puntos de vista. Por ello, y especialmente en temas muy cercanos a nuestras creencias, existe la posibilidad de que perdamos la paciencia o nos enfademos demasiado. En esos momentos hay que recordar las siguientes recomendaciones y reglas:
Tratar a los demás con respeto.
Jamás hagas ataques personales.
Incluso cuando estemos en profundo desacuerdo con el contenido de un artículo, procederemos con respeto, nunca poniendo adjetivos al autor del artículo, sino criticando al artículo mismo, proponiendo nuestro punto de vista.
Los ataques personales son una forma de falacia: parecen apoyar nuestra posición, pero en lugar de esto desvían las razones que pudiéramos tener en el argumento.
No se puede esperar que siempre las personas amen, honren, obedezcan, o incluso respeten a los demás. Pero hay derecho a pedir civismo. Acusaciones malconsideradas sobre lo impropio de una Ejemplos más serios son:
Las personas deben actuar cívicamente los unos con los otros en un clima de colaboración y respeto mutuos.
Parece que el dar una opinión libre molesta, sobre todo si no sigue lo stablecido.
Esto me su bastante a dictadura y a facismo encubierto, verdad Tezifon?
Si m dices k soy un troll conocido pues bien, con eso tú ya te estas definiendo.
Quizá deberías volver al colegio del Opus Dei de que saliste.
Un saludo.
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