*some fundraising to pay for infrastructure (bins & rubbush collection, Toilet facillities, first aid & welfare, etc etc)
*awareness raising; letting people know that its posssible to be involved, advice about taking care of your own litter/shite/parking/general safety on site
*volunteers to prepare the festival site beforehand, building spaces, constructing loos, decorating, flags, bins etc
*volunteers to help with stewarding (traffic control!!!), first-aiders, welfare etc DURING the party
*volunteers to litter-pick, dismantle spaces, take down decor/flags etc
……
The way forward.
I also am a bit concerned about the motives of some people from my country. To put it bluntly, they only attend or contribute to festivals in foreign nations because they have fucked things up in England by not looking after environment/overdoing the noise and drugs, and the Police in England have become harsher about stopping outdoor events.
some fund their travels by selling addictive drugs like ketamine, for higher prices than they would to English people. These same people, when Spanish people come to London to squat or have parties, say “oh, too many foreigners”.
they simply take advantage of less strong laws in European countries to party, then they fuck off and leave the “natives” to clear up.
of course there are UK crews and people what genuinely love Europe and positive multiculturalism and attend Euro-fests for the right reason, but there are too many hangers-on what latch on to the good people and turn good things bad.
perhaps the local crews should either take a break, or definitely make sure they do the things troopdeloop says, to have dialogue with the locals and ensure the promises are fulfilled, otherwise the festival will get locked down like lots of other countries.
General,
Most of the people who attend the festival are Spanish who don’t need any help or advice in obtaining “addictive drugs” from their own country.
The English “crews” who come over come to have a good time and enjoy, over the years the problems from non residents have been negligble.
Now if you were talking about the French technos……..
2] Dragon festival is in abandoned quarry. No it is not abandoned, I live here all year long (not like you Lisa – Dragon webdesigner, living most of the year in UK)
3] Dragon festival is FREE, no it is not, because one person’s freedom has its borders where it is violating freedom of others. In this case 10ooo people decide to come and shit in my garden every year. This is serious violating of my freedom.
I am not against the festival. I work as VJ on many parties and festivals all over Europe. I am just saying it is in wrong place for the form it has taken in last years.
1/ I don’t care if it is or is not the only free festival in Europe it is my local freebie which i love.
2/ You are right the quarry is not abandoned, it is very much a working quarry which is systematically stripping the riverbed and it’s surroundings. If you are concerned about the enviroment do something about that instead of having a personal pop at an individual and naming them on the net !
3/It is free in more ways than you would ever understand. Are you really and honestly saying that 10000 people shit in your garden every year ? I think you are exaggerating. Why not help the disorganisers organise better crapping facilities, it’s in your interests not to have 25000 craps to clean up from your garden. One crap in your gaff is to many and people involved in the festival are addressing this.
Your last comment gives away where you are coming from.
While you are happy to attend and participate in festivals/parties all over Europe and impact on the local peoples lives, when it comes to your space it’s not in my back yard. Or at least not in your garden.
he is actually being kind enough to engage in a constructive dialogue with all the European ravers who have turned or are planing to turn up on his doorstep – he doesn’t even need to do this, he could in fact just talk to the council and coppers and ask for the event to be closed down.
People are listening and attempting to enter into dialogue with this person and the peeps have been turning up on “their doorstep” longer than they have been living there. Some people have talked to the council and coppers in various attempts to stop it for 11 years with the result that they have not succeeded. The Dragon lives.
sounds like the people that move near to a church then complain about the bell ringing on a sunday morning! :you_crazy:
Dragon is not free anymore. I am sorry.
Of course the Dragon is not the same, it has evolved because it is alive and not stagnant. I disagree with your negative interpretation as to how it has developed. I think it has grown positively and can continue to do so.
You seem to not understand what Claus said, he was saying if people no longer like the festival to “move their arses” away. Fair comment Claus.
I’m not a hippy type person who goes on about vibes and energies but simply a person who enjoys life and living with my fellow human beings. If i were a new age sort i would use the opinion that the festival should stay at ciggy with all the positive vibes and energies to dispell the negative ones that are there from the days when Franco and his cohorts used Ciggarones as a detention and torture centre. Why do you think so few local Spanish people live in Ciggy or why it was an abandonded village before the Giri’s bought places there ? The place never had a very nice history.
Let’s redress the negativeness with positiveness man.
Peace, love and party.
Re mess, crap, skips, etc. All well and good in DAYLIGHT for the conscientious and sober few who used them, happily I am sure, but read my first post. The real action takes place in the dark on Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights. The influx of people, many of them Spanish (The Dragon is part of the Movida) is HUGE, and in the DARK, hammered NO ONE is interested in using skips or toilets. I am not going to repeat myself, my first post says it all.
ive not been to the dragon, but this has got to be a huge generalisation. To say that everyone there is shitting and pissing where they stand and throwing rubbish wherever as soon as it gets dark sounds a bit over the top. I know what you mean, from freeparties in england and maybe a few think fuck it, but not everyone.
Go to the Dragon and see for your self, go at night and you will see that my description (1st post) is the sober truth. It is incredible the numbers that arrive after dark. The whole thing is incredible. Remember that I have lived here and seen every Dragon from the beginning until now. If an event like this was perpetrated anywhere on mainland Britain we would have all been shot through the lungs by armed police and the organizers would be twitching on metal tables with electrodes attached to every sensitive body part by now. The Dragon is an outrage in every sense. No amount of vibes, fund raising, or skips will change this reality. To solve the the many problems that the festival has will kill the Festival as it is, UNLESS some accessible but otherwise bomb proof site can be found, and we all pile onto that. Soon the authorities will intervene and it will all end in tears.
Remember that anarchy is great fun while all goes well, but when it goes sour the results can be tragic. We have not yet had a wind driven bush fire but we could. We have not yet had a flash flood but we could, so far there has been no riot but it is possible. We have had at least four deaths, it is amazing that there have not been more. As the site stands there would be no chance of emergency vehicles reaching any one in the event of fire or flood ( yes we do get wild fires and flash floods, I have seen the river bed full from bank to bank, very very scary).
You really do need to be there on a Friday night to get any idea of what happens. I just wish that the out side world had never found out about our little local fiesta. It used to be great, and no controversy at all. The best thing would be a huge Dragon like festival somewhere safe for the hoards and the Movida, and our little local bash just for us locals (oo arrr) Go well F
oh for goodness sake will shut up about flooding and fires god may strike us down for our evilness!!!!! If we want advice about out personal safety we’ll ask!
all this pants about moving the feasti just shows me you don,t get it… it is our celebration of this incredible free place we live in, the spirit of ciggy in all it,s diverse ways. please can we get positive or just go make a festi some where else ,where i presume no one will mind the mess and floods!
and leave us alone to get on with it… really looking forward to it were planning a fab kids space and crufts dog show come join the fun love ness
QUOTE “oh for goodness sake will shut up about flooding and fires god may strike us down for our evilness!!!!! If we want advice about out personal safety we,ll ask!!!!”
Woah, sooo touchy. Who said that a natural, real, and undoubtedly small risk (fire, flood) was a judgment on any one ???!! where? No it is just a possibility. A medical emergency on the far side of the fezzy is a more likely, and a more scary possibility. Who will get the blame from the authorities ? The swarm of outsiders who actually block every thing up, or us?
What YOU do not seem to get is the distinction between us huevos who know the ways n hows of Ciggy et al and do indeed create a wonderful vibe when we party (or do anything, we are, as you say, very creative people ) and the hords who arrrive by night and do not give a flying fuck about us or how or where we live.
Two different rule sets. You and your crufts and kid zones are fine examples of what made OUR Dragon so fine all those years ago (nostalgic music please), and my first post illustrates the reality of the night Dragon of today, and it is todays beast that causes all the trouble. Not you. Not your kids or crufts. Not what you do. So do not accuse me of making judgments on YOUR personal safety. I am not. I am talking about EVERYONE’S personal safety. THAT is freedom. So get of your high horsey I am not criticizing you, or positive, creative people anywhere, ohkay?
Go well , F
Actually the festivals and parties in Europe I participate in, deal with their shit, they do not disturb other people who live around and they do not leave shit in anyone’s garden, they are not dangerous (only one way in/out) etc…. If the Dragon would be up to these standards I would happily supported too. But that is not the case of Dragon, so I say move it to area without residents… Cigarrones is not the right place for it. That’s all.
Has anyone on site actually planned to have a sensible face to face discussion about the dragon, or are we just going to keep posting our arguments on the world wide web.:you_crazy:you_crazy
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