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  • I came across this article about a new book and thought the subject warranted a poll :groucho:

    The article is here

    I have to say I like the dutch goverment’s solution :weee:

    I voted yes. I used to work for a government funded training scheme and the paperwork restricted and got in the way of actually helping the people.

    I voted yes too as when I ran a shop a few years back H&S legislation was a total nightmare and it has got worse since then :hopeless:.

    I voted yes,Red tape is everywhere,building,running your own bussiness,voluntary work,having a legal party ect ect far too much red tape stopping or putting people off doing the things they want or would like to do.

    i’ve shared bio’s experience and agree with what Good Dog says…. peopel get put off botering to do good stuff because it becomes a nightmare instead of a pleasure

    yep aggree far too much

    mates parents are trying to setup a science study thingy for kids with learning difficulties and the amount of paper work has nearly put them off more than once

    I think the amount of it that exists in Britain shows how divided this country is…

    communities seem often incapable of reaching a consensus and end up having to get nanny state authorities to sort things out, and delays are caused by competing groups quibbling over every last detail.

    I also think Middle England has a two faced attitude to red tape though – it is also used to covertly enforce “Middle England values” and nimbyism by people who claim to hate it.

    The farmers / middle class types who complain about too much regulation when it affects them are perfectly happy to see regulations being used to limit stuff like licensing hours for late night events, freedom of access, keeping youth centres and the like away from their communities for noise.

    i hate the red tapei have to wade thru to put on a rave, or more recently, work with young people.

    the problem is that it has a point, and that is to take power away from centralised sources, and spread it over entire institutions. its a socialist idea aimed at giving power back to the people. its just a shame that it is so ridiculously long and boring. but i think its better to have a series of checks and balances than just having one person with the power to decide what happens. less prone to corruption.

    somehow it still seems rubbish tho.

    Met spending £122m on paperwork
    The Metropolitan Police spent £122m in a year on writing letters and general paperwork, latest figures have shown.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/6170956.stm

    Seems a little excessive :crazy:

    thats gotta be one big pile of papers:crazy:

    well theres a lot of crime in london, and i think that while it could be trimmed down, its good that they keep people informed, i mean, once the internet makes paper totally obselete it will be a different kettle of fish, but at the mo, hardcopy is where its at.

    to compare metpols admin costs you would need to check the admin cost of a similar public sector organisation of that size and I suspect the costs are the same..

    Data on computers can be very easily altered, destroyed or falsified.

    It is somewhat harder to do that on paper copies (as even re-printing a document on the same make and model of printer will show differences when viewed at high magnification) so paper copies often provide a safeguard by providing a record for future scrutiny which is essential for an enforcement authority or a Civil Service Department.

    Just consider the things that are being release through freedom of Information – if the Government in the 1980s had actually gone to a “paperless office” I bet plenty of stuff would have been erased by Thatcho’s mob under “cost considerations”

    One thing that worries me though is a lot of regulations have only appeared because people were given a chance to self-regulate and failed…

    anti-drugs regulations, PELs, noise limits, many health and safety regs have all come about because of this… until people can actually look after themselves they are always going to have a nanny state doing it for them..

    i think a lot of red tape is just there for the sake of it and fails to create any checks and balances

    for example; i recently applied for some govt funding (£20,000) for a worker in my organisation. if i had included £100 for potted plants I would have been laughed out, yet the ODPM bill for potted plants for their own offices ran to over £1million :crazy:

    i’ve worked on a project that was funded by European Social Fund. The project was aimed at serving the most deprived people in society. For every person I helped, I had to get about 80 pieces of personal information and keep it for 3 years :yakk: . This was to ensure that none of those people recieved help from any other ESF project. Yet the bureaucrats on Brussels have vast ‘petty cash’ and ‘personal expense’ funds that dwarf the amounts I could spend per beneficiary of the project :crazy:

    red tape often exists to provide the illusion of transparency, while actually masking corruption

    globalloon wrote:
    i think a lot of red tape is just there for the sake of it and fails to create any checks and balances

    its also a way of showing power and enforcing hierarchies without doing obviously politically incorrect things like beating people up/destroying their property or locking them up

    and is a tool of nimbys and those who are fundamentally opposed to a project to try and sabotage it by delaying it…

    Also in most large organisations if one team can cause a rival’s project to fail they can bid for the funding for that failed project

    it happens in the private sector as well – usually competing groups of managers arguing over “processes” and is probably one reason why British industry keeps going down the pan..

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