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  • Read this the other day: https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/uk/2002/mar/17/drugsandalcohol.immigrationpolicy

    Apparently there are going to be Dutch style, Cannabis coffee shops opening all over the UK (one quite near to me).

    Seems like there are going to be some changes pretty soon!

    Yay, just realised that I can PM now! Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

    that links only to facebook. Please try posting the main guardian link as I’can’t find it on there..

    Bah, technology. I’ll try and find it.

    also what I can see of the FB link goes to an article dated 2002 (but maybe you meant to link to something else).

    Ok, this should be the right link: Cannabis cafes set to open all around Britain | UK news | The Observer

    Hmmm, just noticed the date of the article. This only showed up on my newsfeed 3 days ago. Fucking Facebook! Grrrr!

    I wonder what happened then? lol

    Haha, while searching for the link on Google, I found a similar forum to this where someone had posted the same article this week.

    I apologise for the poor research associated with this link but I assumed that this was a recent article.

    I will now severely punish myself with several lines of ketamine!

    Sooooooo, how does one go about deleting a thread? lol

    if you really want it gone I can do so – but I don’t think its a big problem. We all make mistakes and it wasn’t even your fault = especially if this old article is being circulated on facebook via a “news” feed, others may be similarly misled we need to warn them.

    Some of us here remember those days and also keep a weather eye on what goes on across the North Sea as well (unfortunately even the Dutch are clamping down on the coffeeshops though opinions are divided). The situation in NL is complicated (there is also a change in attitudes of young folk there who have become less “European” and more close to invididualist English/American culture which in combination with other world events is threatening their tolerant society). it is not easy to unearth without learning Dutch and researching the lifestyles and cultures of NL (though I did that for other reasons)

    Anyay our attempt at gedoogbeleid went to shit within the space of a few years and cannabis soon became class B again which it still remains. The bulk of these people what tried this sort of stunt did get busted hard sooner or later

    I did something way sillier earlier, ASDA were selling LED lanterns with batteries included for a decent price so I bought one (in readiness for a test of some equipment which involves putting the power to my house off at night) – saw the batteries in the compartment, turned it on and – nothing. Was about to take it back and complain, then realised that the batteries were of course wrapped in plastic to stop them running down by accident when the items are being transported. Having been an electronics engineer for some years, I really should know by now that it is better to check the batteries than to curse a lamp….

    Down my way we have already had four or five shops open. None of them really got away with it. I believe the shop owner is still serving a stint in prison. Was good though while they lasted.

    Two men have been found guilty of drugs offences linked to a “cannabis cafe” at Lancing in West Sussex.
    Lee Russell, of Worthing, and Michael Alday, of Horsham, were convicted of conspiracy to supply cannabis, at Kingston Crown Court.
    A third man, Paul Bradley, of Worthing, was found not guilty of the charge.
    Two other people, Wendy Edwards, of Lancing, and Sebastian Flynn, of Worthing, admitted conspiring to supply cannabis before the trial started.
    Russell and Alday had denied the charges. Sentencing of all four was adjourned to 15 January.
    Barbed wire
    During the trial, the court heard that police “bashed” their way into the so-called “hole-in-the-wall cafe” in Freshbrook Road.
    Electrified barbed wire had been put on the building, jurors heard.
    The prosecution said the cafe’s security measures, which also included a reinforced “air lock-style” system of double doors, gave those inside the building time to incinerate drugs.
    The court heard the cafe’s customers nicknamed the business the “hole-in-the-wall cafe” because of the means of entry employed by police during repeated raids.
    Russell, of Ethelwood Road, was cleared of offences under the Proceeds of Crime Act at a previous hearing.

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    Bloody hell. They got a jury? Without killing anyone? The lucky sods.

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    Coffeeshops come
    And coffeeshops go.
    But my stash
    Is infernal.

    SOMETHING like that.

    friends of mine got a jury trial for the relatively minor offence of holding a unlicensed rave. They were far from lucky, both got prison sentences.

    “gedoben” does not mean to tolerate/accept but to begrudgingly endure a bad/disagreeable situation with the hope of making things better. This social experiment is nearly as old as the older folk on here. It was also tried in a number of other countries – the Scandinavians tried it, now only one bit of DK tolerates overt cannabis use whereas SE has very harsh zero tolerance policies which are as harsh as a European nation could ever get.

    A lot changed since the start – the fall of European borders and start of a single currency (a money launderers paradise). I strongly suspect the Dutch had hoped that other EU nations would follow suit and decriminalise drugs possession, which to be fair Britain did once clearly consider doing and even without full decriminalisation penalties for such have been decreased loads in my lifetime. When I first started partying hard in the early 90s young people from middle class backgrounds were getting put up before Court and even sent to prison for small amounts of class B and A drugs. Now 5 or even 10 pills often gets a caution whether they are strong or weak.

    Other European countries also have changed policies to some extent in the last 20 years. But though there are similarities, every EU country has its own unique culture. NL is a country which is actually relatively socially conservative but economically liberal and still has a strong work ethic influenced by (but not exclusive to) its Protestant community – the only reason a lot of things are “gedoben” is when the businesses involved pay their taxes.

    This is another issue – the coffeeshop owners in some areas pissed on their own chips by using “customised” accounting software to deliberately understate their sales and not pay as much taxes, instead of accepting that the taxes paid offset any problems caused by cannabis use – and that there was still a rise in crime/anti social behaviour associated with cannabis coffee shops as well as the wider night time economy. BTW the areas of the UK closest to NL cuturally (especially due to trade links) are East Anglia and Scotland. The licensing policies of Ipswich are near identical to those of Amsterdam minus the “gedoogbeleid” part – more so since the murders and missing persons in 2006 which were all linked with the night time economy (not just of the sex workers but clubbers being shot/going missing etc).

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