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I’m no doctor but not sure all those symptoms can be directly associated with mdma – numbness and muscle tension are both caused by hyperventilation which results in a build up of lactic acid, particularly in the extremities (hands, feet etc) – that could explain the issue with the hands (I used to practise hyperventilation for sport so know the effects quite well). The more anxious you get the more you hyperventilate and the effects get worse. But why you hyperventilated in the first place I don’t know. Did you hyperventilate the second time or just get the feeling in your limbs?

@parrotfish 417223 wrote:

numbness and muscle tension are both caused by hyperventilation which results in a build up of lactic acid, particularly in the extremities (hands, feet etc) – that could explain the issue with the hands (I used to practise hyperventilation for sport so know the effects quite well). The more anxious you get the more you hyperventilate and the effects get worse.

hyperventilation = panic or anxiety, which are common side effects of stimulants – usually the trigger is –
misinterpretaion of pysical sensations = panic = anxiety = hyperventilation = more panic = more anxiety etc etc – called the viscious circle of panic

the description of your arms etc is as PF says a build up due to too much carbon dioxide in your body

I used to experience these symptoms years ago and can empathise how horrific the experience is, maybe lay off the rugs for a while – take stock of other things in your life that might be adding to anxiety, and just take a breather. it helped for me. :group_hug

how many times have you done it?

i never had a come down like that ever, i would agree with p0ly to stay away from it.

the first few times you do it you dont get a come down and your like wow i cant wait to do that again!

and even when you do get bad come downs after a long time its never the way you described it.

@DaftFader 417339 wrote:

Did you get the stuff off the same person? and how do you know it’s mdma?

Also do you take any MAOI’s or SSRI’s? As it could be mild seratonin syndrome as that can give you Hyperreflexia which could explain the way your hands were reacting and some of your other symptoms to be fair.

I’ve seen people do alot of pills back in the day and end up looking like they have motor neurone disease. Taking loads of MDMA in a night can give you seratonin syndrome (or something similer) on it’s own i recon, as you just rince your brain so much. I’m no doctor tho.

How long b4 theese 2 times did you last take pills/MDMA?

Serotonin syndrome

Serotonin syndrome is a potentially life-threatening adverse drug reaction that may occur following therapeutic drug use, inadvertent interactions between drugs, overdose of particular drugs, or the recreational use of certain drugs. Serotonin syndrome is not an idiosyncratic drug reaction; it is a predictable consequence of excess serotonergic activity at central nervous system (CNS) and peripheral serotonin receptors. For this reason, some experts strongly prefer the terms serotonin toxicity or serotonin toxidrome because these more accurately reflect the fact that it is a form of poisoning. It may also be called serotonin storm, hyperserotonemia, or serotonergic syndrome.

The excess serotonin activity produces a spectrum of specific symptoms including cognitive, autonomic, and somatic effects. The symptoms may range from barely perceptible to fatal. Numerous drugs and drug combinations have been reported to produce serotonin syndrome. Diagnosis of serotonin syndrome includes observing the symptoms produced and a thorough investigation of the patient’s history. The syndrome has a characteristic picture but can be mistaken for other illnesses in some patients, particularly those with neuroleptic malignant syndrome. No laboratory tests can currently confirm the diagnosis.

Treatment consists of discontinuing medications which may contribute and in moderate to severe cases administering a serotonin antagonist. An important adjunct treatment includes controlling agitation with benzodiazepine sedation. The high profile case of Libby Zion, who is generally accepted to have died from serotonin syndrome, resulted in changes to graduate medical education in New York State.

Signs and symptoms

Symptom onset is usually rapid, often occurring within minutes. Serotonin syndrome encompasses a wide range of clinical findings. Mild symptoms may only consist of increased heart rate, shivering, sweating, dilated pupils, myoclonus (intermittent tremor or twitching), as well as overresponsive reflexes. Moderate intoxication includes additional abnormalities such as hyperactive bowel sounds, high blood pressure and hyperthermia; a temperature as high as 40 °C (104 °F) is common in moderate intoxication. The overactive reflexes and clonus in moderate cases may be greater in the lower limbs than in the upper limbs. Mental status changes include hypervigilance and agitation. Severe symptoms include severe increases in heart rate and blood pressure that may lead to shock. Temperature may rise to above 41.1 °C (106.0 °F) in life-threatening cases. Other abnormalities include metabolic acidosis, rhabdomyolysis, seizures, renal failure, and disseminated intravascular coagulation; these effects usually arise as a consequence of hyperthermia.

@Megannnftw 417221 wrote:

I’ve done ecstasy and molly a fair amount of times. My last two times doing ecstasy/molly were the worst for me. About a month or two ago, I did two beans of good quality ecstacy and as I was coming down I started hyperventilating and my arms started going numb and I couldn’t move my hands. My hands were really weird acting too, they were curving towards the inside of my arms.. It’s hard to explain. The feeling went away after what felt like a really long time, and I was reallyyy glad it was over. I did molly recently, and I started to feel sort of the same feeling. My arms and legs felt like they were going to sleep, so I layed down and tried to sleep it off. Is this normal for coming down off of ecstasy or molly? Could this just be from over heating? Has this happened to anyone else?

I know this wont help, but ive never had a bad xp from anything ive taken….been in one k-hole, but a burger king and sum speed cured that lol. I guess it just differs from person to person….im just one of the lucky few i guess

I’ve had a scary experiance with “mdma” (it wasn’t mdma tho, just sold to me as that). Was up for three days solid and it felt like my heart was going to expload (and I was actualy doing relaxation techniques rather then paniking and it was a real strain on my heart still). I allmost called an abulance for my self at one point. I had chest pains for months and months after that! So it’s still possable that what you got wasn’t mdma or wasn’t pure mdma as it can still be cut even in crystal form!