Party Vibe

It was 2009 – but I’m pretty sure it was BZP or another piprazine that’s even nastier. (I did do quite a bit :s – would of been ok if it was mdma tho).

I’ve done BZP knowingly years ago in a legal high and this was like that (mildly halusonogenic and horrible comedown) but alot stronger. It felt the same too untill a bit later on when things started to go a bit tits up. That’s why I think it’s a piperazine.

@General Lighting 418201 wrote:

yep there were some nasty piperazines going just prior to mephedrone becoming popular.

Trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

in the case of the fatal OD I can’t even work out why someone decided to mix piperazines and cathinones, as pips had already been made class C by that time whilst mephedrone was still legal ….

Probably the same reason you still find methedrone and other cathotines in stuff.

@process 417273 wrote:

would that brown paper bag thing help this? would have thought it would mean youd have more carbon dioxide in your body…??

oops – sorry I meant too much oxygen, too little carbon dioxide

keep getting that wrong! :you_crazy

the paper bag is a good idea initially unless people then begin to rely on having to ‘make sure they have a paper bag on them at all times’ – as this can then become what is termed as a saftey behaviour,
and they begin to panic if they dont have it,
but that is usually in longer term anxiety disorders.

long term anxiety can cause damage to the body due to continual stress on the body but again this is usually due to untreated anxiety / panic disorders.

It’s really tough to find good quality mdma pills these days….!!!!could this be the end of mdma era???

@Megannnftw 417221 wrote:

I’ve done ecstasy and molly a fair amount of times. My last two times doing ecstasy/molly were the worst for me. About a month or two ago, I did two beans of good quality ecstacy and as I was coming down I started hyperventilating and my arms started going numb and I couldn’t move my hands. My hands were really weird acting too, they were curving towards the inside of my arms.. It’s hard to explain. The feeling went away after what felt like a really long time, and I was reallyyy glad it was over. I did molly recently, and I started to feel sort of the same feeling. My arms and legs felt like they were going to sleep, so I layed down and tried to sleep it off. Is this normal for coming down off of ecstasy or molly? Could this just be from over heating? Has this happened to anyone else?

You need to do what is called preloading and then mid loading and post loading,
You need to insert right amount of protiens and anti Oxidants into your body at least 4 hours before, then during the trip, orange juice or just vitamin c or selenium tablets are the best, you would be having no issues.

That’s interesting