Hey all!
I’m new here and just thought I’d share my first extraction results and the tek I used.
I purchased 500g of mimosa hosilis root bark (shredded) and took the better half of an afternoon writing out an extraction guideline to follow as I have a few years of university organic chemistry so I didn’t really feel the need to follow something like lazyman’s tek for example (when I checked my procedure against other teks on dmt nexus it was very similar to a lot of others but I thought I post what I did anyways). My procedure is pretty much a standard STB tek with a few added steps. From the 500g bark I yielded 10.5g impure dmt. After washing 9.5g I was left with 4g of clear shards of nnDMT and 5.5g red crystal dmt/other alkaloids. So that’s a 2.05% yield, which for a first attempt at this I think is respectable.
So here’s what I did….
Step 1: lysis: 500g root bark was put in freezer for 1.5 hours and them left to thaw at room temp for 1 hour. This process was repeated 3 times
Step 2: preparation of basic water: 3 liters of tap water was obtained and 200g NaOH was added at 25g/2min and stirred constantly. The end pH of the water was 13.5 by reading from a pH pen.
Step 3: salination: to the basic water 300g non iodized NaCl was added and stirred in
Step 4: addition of plant matter: 500g shredded root bark was added to the water and left to sit for 3 days.
Step 5: heating: a water bath of 140°F was made and the vessel the root bark is in was placed in and left to heat up to 95°F. It was stirred constantly. Temp readings were taken with an infrared thermometer.
Step 6: extraction: 150ml light naphtha was added to vessel and was allowed to heat for one hour. It was stirred vigorously constantly in periods of 5 min stirring then 10 mins to sit and separate.
Step 7: extraction cont: the 150ml layer of naphtha was pipetted off and put in a 250ml perxipatation vessel. The bark mixture was then put back in a cool dry dark place for athe least 12 hours before the next run.
Step 8: freeze percipatation: a bath of 150ml of 99% isopropyl alcohol was prepared in a 500ml vessel. It was left to cool to a min temp of -14.5°c by measure from an ir thermometer. The 250ml vessel of naphtha was placed in the iso bath and left in a freezer with an air temp of -4.5°c. It was left for at least 8 hours.
Step 9: filtering: a 500ml vessel was outfitted with a coffee filter and the 250ml naphtha vessel was emptied thru it. The naphtha was saved for the next extraction and the crystals left in the vessel were put under fan and 65w CFL light . They were then scraped off the edges of the vessel and put in the coffee filter with any crystals filtered out of solution.
Step 10: drying: the coffee filter with crystals was then put in a pan with a 1″ layer of MgSO4 which had been baked prior at 400°F for 2 hours. It was left to dry for 24 hours.
Step 11: extraction cont part 2: the heating, extraction process and freeze percipatation was done over and over until no more crystals were freeze percipatated out even after 2 days of cooling. For my run I managed to get 12 extractions before I was getting barely any crystals. The naphtha can be reused over and over but I changed mine half way thru.
In total this yielded 10.5g brown/tan/off white fluffy crystals. This was then washed using the following procedure.
Recrystalization
Step 1: measuring out everything: messure out an amount of fliffy dmt, for every gram measure out 30ml of solvent. (any amount of dmt can be used but I found doing runs of 3.5g at a time to be the best compared to 1g and 2g runs. )
Step 2: warming up solvent: (for this procedure I used naphtha as my solvent, I think a better solvent would be pentane or heptane but naphtha is really easy to procure. Hexane could be used to but that
Reagent is quite toxic). The naphtha was placed in a 250ml vessel and heated in a warm water bath until it started forming constant bubbles from boiling.
Step 3: the weighed dmt was added to the warm naphtha (out of the water bath now). It was stirred constantly until a red sludge was formed on the bottom of the vessel.
Step 4: pipette: a layer of clear to tinged pale yellow naphtha layer will be now on top of another imisculbe layer of fluid in the vessel pipette off the top layer into a crystallization tray (if you don’t have this a wine glass (brand new) work quite well). Place the tray/glass in a cool dark ventilated area with a porous cover on it (tinfoil with holes poked in it works). The vessel with the red refuse can be left out to evaporate too in the same area.
Step 5: evaporation: let all the solvent evaporate. You want this process to be as gradual as possible as it’ll yield better sized and looking crystals. Don’t freeze percipatate it as altho the crystals may be whiter/non yellow you won’t get clear crystals or nice looking ones you’ll get fluff again.
Step 6: drying: after all the solvent is gone reclaim all the crystals formed and put them in a coffee filter (don’t mix the red and clear crystals!). Put them on a tray of 1″ MgSO4 and leave to dry for 24 hours. The result should be some nice clear/clear yellow crystal shards and red jagged cystal shards.
From recrystalizing 9.5g of impure fluff I ended up with 4G clear/clear yellow tinged shards and 5.5g jagged red crystals that look more like little rocks than anything else.
As for subjective effects, they’re very positive. Especially the red stuff; MG for MG it seems to be a lot stronger than the clear shards with a dose of around 1/4 for similar hallucinatory effect. The red crystals also had a odd quirk to the high where everyone including me who’s tried it says it’s more forboding/dark/uncomfortable/uneasy feeling than either the impure fluff or crystal. Those were highly euphoric and satisfying mentally and emotionally. Yes tbh I smoked 5mg of the red crystals and I felt super uneasy and not sure what to do with myself in an uncomfortable way and the visuals were quite strong for only 5mg, nothing major but colours were extremely vivid, patterns on the wood floor panels were shifting a bit,everything seemed to have an energy to it and like it was ready to become also animated. I’m guessing a larger dose would have pushed the visuals to that. Also it had a noticeable body high like pressure all over the body. It was enough to make me not wanna do any dmt for a long time if ever. I could see that red stuff getting real dark if you let your mind wander or are uneasy or have a bad mind set or bad setting. I had a good setting I was in my apt, I just cleaned it, music playing from my phone and curtains drawn. As for mind set I was pretty fair headed, at I am quite stressed and depressed as well but that day was a good day and I was feeling positive about things so my mind set was decent. But yes had I done more or been upset that trip would have not been fun one bit. Eh good thing it was only about 7min long.
I haven’t tried the clear crystals so I can’t personally comment on that.
I did smoke 80mg of impure stuff in two 49mg sessions tho (white fluffy stuff). Same mind Frame and setting as when I did the red stuff. The high was very euphoric with moderate visuals, nothing break thru but super vivid colours and a slight breathing to everything. Super warm after glow too.
Also I was not on any other substances when I did any of the dmt so there’s not that to factor in either to my experiences.
Alright if you made it this far congrats you got thru one of my long posts I sometimes make on different forums when I’ve got a positive and proactive jib afterglow lmao.
I hope someone reads this and it maybe is useful to someone!
Pce
interesting – although I’m not brainy enough with chemistry to even attempt this or even convert some of the mixed units in the post (though understandable if the OP is American and to be fair the bulk of this is in metric as it should be for an international audience…) Not sure if the precursor is legal or easily available in Europe and I would probably get nicked anyway just trying to obtain some of the chemicals and equipment due to the anti-terrorism paranoia in my country….
at step 9 a fan is mentioned alongside a CFL lamp
As a European electronics/electrical engineer I would interpret this as the kind of small fluorescent lamp that uses less electricity than an incandescent glow lamp – is the purpose of this lamp to warm things up (which a European CFL would not be much use for) or simply to illuminate the lab setup in order to see what you are doing?
Step 9 is basically drying it so that it is anhydrous or what not.
MHrb is watched but not illegal and I think everything in his post can be gotten from a hardware store
@General Lighting 979536 wrote:
interesting – although I’m not brainy enough with chemistry to even attempt this or even convert some of the mixed units in the post (though understandable if the OP is American and to be fair the bulk of this is in metric as it should be for an international audience…) Not sure if the precursor is legal or easily available in Europe and I would probably get nicked anyway just trying to obtain some of the chemicals and equipment due to the anti-terrorism paranoia in my country….
at step 9 a fan is mentioned alongside a CFL lamp
As a European electronics/electrical engineer I would interpret this as the kind of small fluorescent lamp that uses less electricity than an incandescent glow lamp – is the purpose of this lamp to warm things up (which a European CFL would not be much use for) or simply to illuminate the lab setup in order to see what you are doing?
Actually GL it very easy to get everything listed in ther TEK,bwas offered 10 kilos og MGRB but due to me not being a chemist and not wanting to blow my house up I declined….
Yeah the CFL light is just to illuminate where I was keeping the vessel that had been holding the naphtha. The fan was more for drying than the light was. Also it should be noted that a Kelvin of at least 4100 should be used (5000 – 6500 would be better) to get a good look at the colour of the crystals formed. A Kelvin of under 3500 will tinge the crystals yellow (especially at 2700 kelvin).
Yep a CFL is a compact fluorescent light as opposed to a filiment using incandescent light bulb.
As for the chemicals. Altho I ordered mine from a lab supplier in my city, many if not all can be gotten from a few different types of stores. Sodium hydroxide (NaOH, lye, caustic soda) can be found in drain cleaner (in North America a popular brand is red devil lye), just make sure the only chemical in it is sodium hydroxide. Naphtha is camping stove fuel. Both of those can be found at a hardware store.
Pentane can be found in “bestine” glue solvent often found at craft stores such as Michaels in North America.
Non iodized salt can be found at grocery stores as kosher salt.
Hexane and heptane you might be stuck outta luck for if you can’t find online but naphtha is an easy replacement.
Root bark can be sourced online. I got mine from a Spanish company with no hassle.
Making the dmt itself is super easy, like baking a cake!
@nick unat 979601 wrote:
Yeah the CFL light is just to illuminate where I was keeping the vessel that had been holding the naphtha. The fan was more for drying than the light was. Also it should be noted that a Kelvin of at least 4100 should be used (5000 – 6500 would be better) to get a good look at the colour of the crystals formed. A Kelvin of under 3500 will tinge the crystals yellow (especially at 2700 kelvin).
Yep a CFL is a compact fluorescent light as opposed to a filiment using incandescent light bulb.
As for the chemicals. Altho I ordered mine from a lab supplier in my city, many if not all can be gotten from a few different types of stores. Sodium hydroxide (NaOH, lye, caustic soda) can be found in drain cleaner (in North America a popular brand is red devil lye), just make sure the only chemical in it is sodium hydroxide. Naphtha is camping stove fuel. Both of those can be found at a hardware store.
Pentane can be found in “bestine” glue solvent often found at craft stores such as Michaels in North America.
Non iodized salt can be found at grocery stores as kosher salt.
Hexane and heptane you might be stuck outta luck for if you can’t find online but naphtha is an easy replacement.
Root bark can be sourced online. I got mine from a Spanish company with no hassle.
Making the dmt itself is super easy, like baking a cake!
Well a DMT extraction tek is one hell of a way to introduce yourself to the forum, welcome matey.
@tryptameanie 979572 wrote:
Actually GL it very easy to get everything listed in ther TEK,bwas offered 10 kilos og MGRB but due to me not being a chemist and not wanting to blow my house up I declined….
it was more the legality of the precursor chemical I was unsure about – it is indeed possible in the UK to obtain the rest of the chemicals online (other than the naptha/petroleum ether) – the Fire Brigade understandably disapprove of folk sending this through non specialist post/couriers and/ or hoarding any significant quantity of it within residential premises.
Bear in mind also I am a “person of colour” living relatively near to London and just 10 km from the border with Essex. As well as paranoia over extremists/terrorism in this region there have been a few nasty incidents recently involving caustic/corrosive chemicals being used as weapons, deliberate fires fuelled with accellerants and accidental ones caused by unsafe storage of flammable solvents. Some of the other chemicals are also used for unlicensed processing of used vegetable oil into biodiesel; which the Border Force have been investigating very recently.
When you say precursor, do you mean the Mimosa Hostilis root bark
I believe by precursors he means caustic soda, naphtha and such. As opposed to the root bark which is where the alkaloids themselves are.
Haha thanks! Thought I’d share something that took me the good half of an afternoon to write and a week to fine tune. I checked online of other tell to see that mine was feasible and it’s a lot like lazyman’s with the max ion tek. I also threw in a couple tweaks to it and we’ll a 2.1% yield is pretty good.
I’m letting the 500g solution sir for 2 months and then gonna try to get the famed jungle spice with toluene.
@nick unat 979668 wrote:
I believe by precursors he means caustic soda, naphtha and such. As opposed to the root bark which is where the alkaloids themselves are.
Yeah but the solvents really aren’t considered precursors and the root bark as you say isn’t really a presursor either, just an alkaloid containing plant.
I have heard of root bark being seized on the basis it contained DMT but it still remains legal to buy in the UK, as is san Pedro etc. but that’s probably all gonna change around 6th April.
@nick unat 979669 wrote:
Haha thanks! Thought I’d share something that took me the good half of an afternoon to write and a week to fine tune. I checked online of other tell to see that mine was feasible and it’s a lot like lazyman’s with the max ion tek. I also threw in a couple tweaks to it and we’ll a 2.1% yield is pretty good.
I’m letting the 500g solution sir for 2 months and then gonna try to get the famed jungle spice with toluene.
Look forward to hearing about your results.
@tryptameanie 979671 wrote:
Yeah but the solvents really aren’t considered precursors and the root bark as you say isn’t really a presursor either, just an alkaloid containing plant.
I have heard of root bark being seized on the basis it contained DMT but it still remains legal to buy in the UK, as is san Pedro etc. but that’s probably all gonna change around 6th April.
Oh yes I didn’t mean that the chemicals were prettycursors I was just saying that’s what I believed he was referring to when he said precursors. And yes you’re right about the bark it’s more or less a vessel to carry alkaloids.
Yes about root bark when ordering it don’t order powdered root bark as if it’s checked by customs there may be a higher chance for it to be siezed.
Thanks next time I’m planning on is another 500g run after I find a place for all this product. I’m also planning on posting my extraction with toluene when I do that.
@General Lighting 979536 wrote:
interesting – although I’m not brainy enough with chemistry to even attempt this or even convert some of the mixed units in the post (though understandable if the OP is American and to be fair the bulk of this is in metric as it should be for an international audience…) Not sure if the precursor is legal or easily available in Europe and I would probably get nicked anyway just trying to obtain some of the chemicals and equipment due to the anti-terrorism paranoia in my country….
at step 9 a fan is mentioned alongside a CFL lamp
As a European electronics/electrical engineer I would interpret this as the kind of small fluorescent lamp that uses less electricity than an incandescent glow lamp – is the purpose of this lamp to warm things up (which a European CFL would not be much use for) or simply to illuminate the lab setup in order to see what you are doing?
I looked for all chemical used and the only problem for me would be to have the mimosa hosilis root bark plant that i even don’t knoww if it is growing in europa(i didnt take time to look for that)
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