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That was the 2nd time I’d taken it. the 1st time I got a sample sent and did it in 3 lines in about 65-75 mins cos it was doing noeyt then all of a sudden shit got serious, for the next xz hours I thoight I was feaf, that was all that could explain my situation and I was in 1 fucking situation I had not expected. Thaqt’s why I try gio very easy on new chems and normally test in some way the product I’ve fot before using.
Worst thing is after that night I swore I’d never, ever take MXP again.
Also you you 2 new derravitives of diphenidine on their way (1 is out I think)? 1 is called ephenidine and the other can’t recall/find I’m afraif
It’s time we all let go of this fantasy that there are still undiscovered psychoactive gems out there … it goes without saying that anything worth experiencing can already be found in the old and new ‘Shulgin’ testaments. Yes ladies and gentlemen, I all hope you have PIHKAL and TIHKAL placed proudly on the coffee table.
These new age chemists are shrewd, heartless, breakin bad wannabes. They won’t think twice about adding to the structure knowing that it is 100% neurotoxic. I blame them for changing the phrase “let’s score some eccies” to let’s “score some pills”,as you don’t know what the fuck is in there. The young ones missed out, they are happy if the pill does something as we were let down if we didn’t chuck on come up, get eye wobbles, saw the whole club wearing glasses, be totally loved up that you wanted to hump the speaker stack, share your deepest thoughts with a total stranger … All off one pill”
I was involved in the early years of legal highs in Australia, the shit that went into them, all for a kick was unethical and fucking dangerous
I can tell you that other tryptamines have been synthed and trialled and each individual tryptamine they come up with has all the same substitution possibilities as the other (5-Meo.4-HO.4-AcO etc).
We are not totally doomed and many are giving 1P-LSD good reviews and I know another LSD derivitive is on its way in the next few weeks.
Shulgin was no doubt a geius and the best in his field but people like David Nichols and others are doing very good work, just slower with less enthusiasm and remember they have to work within the law regarding these substances. I think Nichols had a DEA license to produce 1000×109/150uh doses a year.
Another thing I read is that diphenidine is more closely related to phencyclidine than ketamine which could explain a lot.
@iliesse 591354 wrote:
Was this fatal death part of a study involving humans?, or was this chemical coupound which should only in the first steps of research study on animals been diverted for consumption.
Does the article give the info of which prescripted drugs was taken by these persons?
Many of these compounds have come from old expired patents of drugs that were made but never made it to market. Also a drugn that is available on prescription in one country doesn’t mean it is in another country.
The drugs aren’t as dangerous as the lack of information on them. Some of these drugs are not like the weed LSD MDMA, speed we grew ip on and with many of them are active at much smaller doses. It’s hard to get dichloromethylphenidate in powder rather than pellet fporm because it’s active below 10mg and if a clueless person buys this, rails himself a fat one, he’s got no idea what he’s infor.
@isocortex 591422 wrote:
These new age chemists are shrewd, heartless, breakin bad wannabes. They won’t think twice about adding to the structure knowing that it is 100% neurotoxic. I blame them for changing the phrase “let’s score some eccies” to let’s “score some pills”,as you don’t know what the fuck is in there. The young ones missed out, they are happy if the pill does something as we were let down if we didn’t chuck on come up, get eye wobbles, saw the whole club wearing glasses, be totally loved up that you wanted to hump the speaker stack, share your deepest thoughts with a total stranger … All off one pill”
I was involved in the early years of legal highs in Australia, the shit that went into them, all for a kick was unethical and fucking dangerous
to be fair a lot of the oldskool nostalgia (I’m old enough to remember it from the strart) was to do with a different era and set and setting; and young people generally feeling more optimistic and happier even when there weren’t drugs around; added to which the end of the Cold War had distracted politicians worldwide to such an extent they were willing to cut young people a bit of slack; so a blind eye was turned to former booze nightclubs being blatantly funded by drugs sales (as they wouldnt’ survive selling tap water at the bar) and being re-used for raves for a few years.
this only lasted for a while until people got greedy with MDMA; and countries with public health services soon worked out there was a different kind of impact – less weekend violence but more long term chronic physical health problems amonhst youngsters who wouldn’t normally present with them (due to lack of sleep/food); a rise in family disuptes/domestic violence during midweek comedowns; youngsters leaving their parental homes early and moving into chaotic shared houses/squats often surviving by shoplifting/petty crime; and some eventually turning to opiates/benzos as they got older.
because of this its near impossible to stage late night music events in many countries so there are now new usage patterns in NPS – people do them alone or in small groups at home or in public squares without the distractions/solidarity of things like music/pretty light displays/friendly people and this leads to other problems…
TBH I’ve not tried any new psychedelic other than AMT but I’ve reached the stage of life where I am too busy and have too many responsibilites to have a whole 24 hours spare (including recovery time). I’m fairly certain Shlulgin always documented risky as well as pleasant effects and ensured his experimental subjects were safe.
the real problems occur when stuff like this is bulk purchased by people who are not even chemists but just want to be “dealers”; and is decanted into baggies using dubious scales; not properly labelled and the users don’t know what dosage they are getting; and this all happens at a unlicensed event miles from anywhere…
@isocortex 591422 wrote:
It’s time we all let go of this fantasy that there are still undiscovered psychoactive gems out there … it goes without saying that anything worth experiencing can already be found in the old and new ‘Shulgin’ testaments. Yes ladies and gentlemen, I all hope you have PIHKAL and TIHKAL placed proudly on the coffee table.
These new age chemists are shrewd, heartless, breakin bad wannabes. They won’t think twice about adding to the structure knowing that it is 100% neurotoxic. I blame them for changing the phrase “let’s score some eccies” to let’s “score some pills”,as you don’t know what the fuck is in there. The young ones missed out, they are happy if the pill does something as we were let down if we didn’t chuck on come up, get eye wobbles, saw the whole club wearing glasses, be totally loved up that you wanted to hump the speaker stack, share your deepest thoughts with a total stranger … All off one pill”
I was involved in the early years of legal highs in Australia, the shit that went into them, all for a kick was unethical and fucking dangerous
Even am far away from all your knowledge, i agree a lot what u said, but think there are still a lot of discoveries to do in chemie , but as you said , a lot of chemist don’t care about the negative health effect of a Molecules where they have changed just an atom from a place or add a littte H there just to avoid the list of forbidden substances and thinking only to the $ amount going increasing their bank account.
there is also a lot to make up for the time the world has lost to study the real effects of these drugs on the human being, after 40 years of prohibition having caused difficulties to lead reliable and serious studies as well as background discussion on synthesis drugs.
thanks realy for sharing these two books i never heard before, seeming to be a reference in what are known about these drugs.
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