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Foxhunting isn’t about country vs city or working class vs toffs. i think that these are just distractions introduced by the pro-hunting lobby because it is clear that they have lost the battle to keep foxhunting going
What sensible arguments for keeping the hunting going is there?
Fox is a pest – so are rats and other vermon but does anybody dress up in stupid clothes chasing them on horseback. is there not far more efficient and humane methods of controlling pests than hunting. if pest control was the real issue why do hunt masters create fox-friendly environmnets to ensure that there are enough foxes to hunt?
Its a tradition – so were witch burning and the plague, nobody’s asking for them to be brought back. traditions die out, its called progress no?.
Its a source of employment – so were the mines, the shipyards and the steelworks but I don’t remember this countryside alliance complaining about their closure. millions of people lose their job in this country every year and millions of people find new jobs every year. It may not always be pleasant but it happens
The hounds will have to be put down – more correctly the hounds will have be put down sooner. Hunts kill off hounds when they’re only a few years old anyway.
what’s yr views, some folk i know are in favour of it.
I do think it should carry on…
i am sorry i am one of them people who cant give a good reason for it either.
Well i was seeing a girl a year or so ago who worked on a horse yard so i got to see it from all angles. When chatting to her in the evenings after a hunt she used to say about how many caught even after the ban had come into place.
Totally against it,always have been always will be,though seeing them at the rally they organised here after the ban,all tearfull and whineing cheered me up no end.
Also When I see hunts (quite often considering there is supposed to be a ban) I make a point of calling the old bill or LACS just in case they are not behaving legally.Tiz nice to watch thier faces as i point at them as im counting thier number whilst talking in to my mobile.Also reading reg Nos into my phone seems to freak them out a little sometimes too:groucho::groucho:
Then again thinking about it i have to say i hate bull fighting, so i cant really say fox hunting is ok….. as its still harming animals…Dam i have confussed myself….. 😥
In my opinion killing anything for “Fun” is totally backward.We are supposed to have evolved some in the last few thousand years No?
TBH its all about money and vested interests – typical middle england petulance IMO because it went through due democratic process, they had their say in a long drawn out debate costing millions of public money that could have been used on other more positive environmental projects – and they lost…
That said I can see why people want it to carry on because its been propping up some parts of the rural economy that would have otherwise failed in the marketplace – it also entrenches old class structures and traditional hierarchical social networks that lots of people in Britain still support.
They were lucky enough it lasted so long – i remember there was campaigns against foxhunting when I was a little boy.
From what I have read about British history (which is a big interest of mine) fox hunting arose because the moneyed classes had already depleted stocks of everything else worth riding to hounds after (you can’t even eat foxes!)
Its also because the desire to hunt, kill and exert power over others and the land is strong – but a lot of these pro-hunting types are too fucking spineless to openly admit their true desires..
Anway, they didn’t don’t complain about outsourcing/globalisation (i.e progress) meaning loads of IT jobs got bangalored after the dotcom crash (to them its the “free market”) so I’m never going to support their attempts at protectionism (animal rights issues aside)
The illegal activities of dogfighting, badger baiting and cockfighting,
the only purpose served by foxhunting is to provide entertainment to a small minority of humans.
It provides no measurable benefit to the environment and is no good as a form of fox control.
arguments based on environmental benefit and fox control, are used to try and give this blood sport a veneer or respectability
All the scientific evidence shows that the fox is not a significant pest.
It is not officially classed as vermin –
the term vermin does not appear in the 1976 Wildlife Act). The truth is that foxes can be a valuable asset to farmers by, for example, keeping down the numbers of rabbits, voles and rats which can cause damage to crops
The purpose of fox hunting is to chase the fox to exhaustion for an hour or more before the animal is literally torn to pieces by the hounds. This long and protracted suffering is an essential and desired part of the sport in the eyes of the hunters. If the control of foxes was the aim, faster dogs could be used or the foxes could be shot be skilled marksmen
As a country lad, i quite often go out shooting etc. etc. but have never been into the whole fox hunting thing. to me it just seems cruel and uneccessary. a rifle is alot cleaner and puts the animal through zero stress.
i have enjoyed shooting like raver but the only times i have shot an animal was when i used to visit my old man @ RAF Halton, they used to go out and kill the rabbits that had myxomatosis with a couple of air rifles (not hard to work out which ones as they would never run away).
Nowadays the only shooting i do is pigeons of the clay kind!
Thinking about the fox hunting though, the dogs wouldnt have to be put down and people wouldnt loose jobs as they can still do drag hunting (a scented sack gets dragged through fields) as they still have to chase a scent, i suppose it wont be the same if there is not a fox to chase.
Thing is aswell i havent heard mentioned by anyone about the fox hunting is “cubbing”. An ex of mine used to go on these mornings out locally and they all get on thier horses and have people walking with sticks, they then surround a small woods and then send the dogs in, the people on the horses and the ones with sticks are there to scare the foxes back into the woods where the dogs are.
Strange though i was never really that fussed about fox hunting but my opinion has started to change…..
incidentally if foxes are causing such a problem by their numbers and hunting was supposed to be controlling them, why is every part of East Anglia not overrun by them since the ban?
I haven’t seen a single one since moving here last year, yet there is plenty of what would be suitable habitat to harbour them…
yet I used to regularly see them in Reading and South Oxfordshire…
there must be populations of them in this area as there is a place called Foxearth not too far away from me..
Foxes are a form of vermin but I personally think they should be shot not hunted on horseback.
no more so than humans!
Well that settles it then Glo 😉 I dont want to be hunted on horseback so they should not be either :groucho:
[humans are indeed a virus with shoes on :crazy:]
from chambers dictionary vermin singular or plural noun: 1 a collective name for wild animals that spread disease or generally cause a nuisance
i’ve heard a lot of pro-hunting people say foxes kill more than they eat…. just like humans then.
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