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  • @PhilKmorgan 386075 wrote:

    Maybe there’s a possible middle ground here with parties (he says tongue in cheek)

    Ketamine: a novel treatment for depression?

    I personally value my bladder and the ability to pee too much to even contemplate this ‘treatment’ 😉

    @Tank Girl 386074 wrote:

    the NHS is rolling out IAPT
    this is in line with the NICE guidelines – improving access to psychological therapies
    it is coming – they are pumping millions and millions into training up therapists and putting them in primary service – there will be ‘low intensity and high intensity therapists’ attatched to places like GP services etc

    and as you say you are currently doing what you describe as more intensive therapy – sorry to say whilst your on a downer but we need to be mindful that we are so lucky to have the NHS and free treatment in the UK and mental health services – unlike the USA etc

    I dout it, they were talking on radio 4’s mental health program today about how the mental health services are expecting a 20-30% budget cut because of the recession.

    I am lucky I live in the UK but relativity is an important concept, I am lucky I am not being gang raped as we speak, but that doesn’t change my perception.

    and tbh if I lived in America I would have had good medical insurance and access to far better services than in the UK. They are quite far ahead of us in terms of mental health services for the wealthy (and my parents are relativity well off and I have had problems since I was about 12.

    But it could be a lot worse I do agree, and I am lucky I am on this current course, even if it took a LOT of fighting to get it.

    @PhilKmorgan 386075 wrote:

    Maybe there’s a possible middle ground here with parties (he says tongue in cheek)

    Ketamine: a novel treatment for depression?

    joking apart I have known a few K heads who give that study as a reason for their addiction. 2bh being a K head would be a lot better for the depression but a lot worse for the psychosis.

    @Tank Girl 386079 wrote:

    I personally value my bladder and the ability to pee too much to even contemplate this ‘treatment’ 😉

    I think we all value our bladders :bounce_fl

    @1984 386081 wrote:

    joking apart I have known a few K heads who give that study as a reason for their addiction. 2bh being a K head would be a lot better for the depression but a lot worse for the psychosis.

    I don’t know what is psychosis …

    @1984 386080 wrote:

    I dout it, they were talking on radio 4’s mental health program today about how the mental health services are expecting a 20-30% budget cut because of the recession.

    I am lucky I live in the UK but relativity is an important concept, I am lucky I am not being gang raped as we speak, but that doesn’t change my perception.

    and tbh if I lived in America I would have had good medical insurance and access to far better services than in the UK. They are quite far ahead of us in terms of mental health services for the wealthy (and my parents are relativity well off and I have had problems since I was about 12.

    everything is relative indeed –

    and they are spending the money – all you need to do is look on NHS jobs and see the vacancies for the training in IAPT –
    It is a NICE guideline they have to follow it for best practice

    anyway sorry to say I’m not going to reply any more tonight, all this negativity is not good for me so I am choosing to wander away for the night

    :group_hug

    @Tank Girl 386084 wrote:

    everything is relative indeed –

    and they are spending the money – all you need to do is look on NHS jobs and see the vacancies for the training in IAPT –
    It is a NICE guideline they have to follow it for best practice

    anyway sorry to say I’m not going to reply any more tonight, all this negativity is not good for me so I am choosing to wander away for the night

    :group_hug

    Don’t go….

    @1984 386081 wrote:

    joking apart I have known a few K heads who give that study as a reason for their addiction. 2bh being a K head would be a lot better for the depression but a lot worse for the psychosis.

    i cant belive that k can treat depression. the reason i dont do k anymore is because i did too much for a prolonged period of time about two years ago and became really depressed and had severe anxiety. this passed after about 1 to 2 months when i stopped taking it. but i felt fucking wierd for that month, pretty much locked myself in my room for 3 weeks. dont know what i would have done if a few people off here (:love:) hadnt told me to go to the docs.

    thank you partyvibe people! :group_hug

    @PhilKmorgan 386083 wrote:

    I don’t know what is psychosis …

    Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή “psyche”, for mind/soul, and -ωσις “-osis”, for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a “loss of contact with reality“.

    @Tank Girl 386084 wrote:

    everything is relative indeed –

    and they are spending the money – all you need to do is look on NHS jobs and see the vacancies for the training in IAPT –
    It is a NICE guideline they have to follow it for best practice

    anyway sorry to say I’m not going to reply any more tonight, all this negativity is not good for me so I am choosing to wander away for the night

    :group_hug

    sounds hopeful then! fingers crossed…

    cheers for the input though TG, I do appreciate you taking the time, thank you.

    Take care

    :group_hug

    @process 386087 wrote:

    i cant belive that k can treat depression. the reason i dont do k anymore is because i did too much for a prolonged period of time about two years ago and became really depressed and had severe anxiety. this passed after about 1 to 2 months when i stopped taking it. but i felt fucking wierd for that month, pretty much locked myself in my room for 3 weeks. dont know what i would have done if a few people off here (:love:) hadnt told me to go to the docs.

    thank you partyvibe people! :group_hug

    Its really terrible for anxiety isnt it, effectively giving yourself schizophrenia if you use K in large amounts all of the time.

    @1984 386088 wrote:

    Psychosis (from the Greek ψυχή “psyche”, for mind/soul, and -ωσις “-osis”, for abnormal condition) means abnormal condition of the mind, and is a generic psychiatric term for a mental state often described as involving a “loss of contact with reality“.

    Hence the reason why K (being intrinsically disassociative) would not be good for psychosis

    @PhilKmorgan 386091 wrote:

    Hence the reason why K (being intrinsically disassociative) would not be good for psychosis

    Yeah man, defenatly. It also acts as a good model for Schizophrenia; a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction.

    Hence why K heads can often end up linking random shit together and thinking people are watching them and all sorts of crap.

    damn it though, I want a line still. It is nice.

    @1984 386092 wrote:

    Yeah man, defenatly. It also acts as a good model for Schizophrenia; a mental disorder characterized by abnormalities in the perception or expression of reality. It most commonly manifests as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking with significant social or occupational dysfunction.

    Hence why K heads can often end up linking random shit together and thinking people are watching them and all sorts of crap.

    damn it though, I want a line still. It is nice.

    Do you believe there’s any credibility to the notion that reality is socially constructed ??

    @PhilKmorgan 386094 wrote:

    Do you believe there’s any credibility to the notion that reality is socially constructed ??

    I would have said reality is a personal perception. I would guess that that perception would take into account social constructs among other things but know nothing about philosophy and failed A-level psychology so I doubt I am anywhere near right. Would you?

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