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fuck it i give up…
something to put the SJ’ers minds at rest – the BBC have commissioned a fucking great documentary on Glastonbury, which means they aren’t going to commission anything else that may compete with it..
so no one needs to worry about naughty raves turning up on mainstream telly; which I thought was unlikely to happen anyway… but there’s still room for something on the “alternative cinema” circuit
do you really think(and i know i don’t) that at a free party you want loads of people wandering around with cameras watching what you do?I thought the whole point was that you don’t want loads of heavy bouncers watchin what you’re up to so you can relax in that kind of environment and do what the fuck you want without prying eyeds??? been going to parties for years and cameras have never been welcome!
fair does, you are blatantly right. ive totally gone off the idea of a documentary, i might write a screenplay instead…maybe with the help of globalloon? (check out http://www.squatjuice.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=poetry;action=display;num=1095108324 for evidence of the talent)
having said that ive been filming at parties for the visuals for years, and so long as you’re aware of who wants to show off to the camera and who would rather i fucked off, its all good. i let a mate of mine film at a party, he was not sensitive, and was just freaking people out – totally uncool.
yep, a screenplay seems like a much better idea…
TBH to make any kind of documentary which would not have created further negative publicity would mean having to spin the material to such an extent you may as well have made a drama anyway..
However positive we made it we could not cover up stuff like damage, or other crimninality associated with the rave scene, and that is the main reason its being clamped down on…
OTOH I think party footage and photos (providing its shot by someone you trust) is good for memories, although the person behind the camera needs to realise the power in their hands and there is IMO far too much stuff being put on the net without checking it first (cars with reg numbers visible etc) – also net party pictures aren’t private photo albums and can be seen by bosses, parents and other whom a person many not want to know they are involved in this lifestyle!
I think a collection of mad random video clips, short sketches and screenplays with a banging soundtrack would be an excellent thing to put together though… it could include snippets of positive rave-related stuff (with multiple overlays/video FX which would make any rave footage quite useless for evidence gathering!)
i was thinking a film interspliced with classic rave footage. as we didnt do too many fucked up things in our parties (and thats what i know about) ive been concocting a screenplay structur based around native beats (sounds egotistical, but what can i do? )
anyway, breif outline of plot- tell me what you think..
begin with introduction to main characters: mike- willful older raver, and brother jon – doin live 303 + instuments gigin in area
steve – musician turned dj/producer
use – mash head and artist
+ mates
1start: us goin expensive clubbing contrasted with goin down boring pub and pilled up missions in the countryside with stereo and other prerave outdoor parties with minor stereo…
2 introduction of next main character – james, a high-flying, jetsetting computer programmer. he and mike become solid freinds and convince each other we can start we can pull of a rave.
3 meeting of the whole crew – mike “i’m putting on a rave, if you lot aren’t up for it, i’ll be on my own with my sound system (limited) ravin my arse off in a feild”
4 our first freeparty, nye in pissing snow and galeforce winds, a marquee, rented van and soundsystem. quality
5 the attitudes of our freinds and family that weren’t involved, how that affected us and our resolve…
6 from there, following the track of our freeparties- special attention to our 2nd rave – first one with name, and most of our own rig, then dissolving into various party montage, thru time (real/ constructed footage). intercut with media from time (poignant events, plus local headlines and police press releases)
7 the changing attitudes and relationship (some strenghtened, others destroyed) dunno how to convey this simply, might leave out.
8 the beginning of the end…a multi rigger we weren’t at had a uninhabited listed building set ablaze (still dont know quite what happened), the local farmers shooting up foc’s rig)
9 end with final police satement, read out, fading into dnb as we rock our new home, brighton as the sun come s up on a new dawn.
this is based in truth, but is now gonna be presented as a fictional account, so anyone who thinks there are issues which should be represented which arent, tell me.
i dont claim for a second that this is about all the freeparty scene, but they say write what you know, otherwise i’ll end up blagging and getting stuff wrong or out of proportion, so i want to avoid trying to be the voice of a generation, coz im not.
comments appreciated.
the movie idea sounds brilliant – you will probably still get some people complaining “you are ‘damaging’ the scene by giving it any publicity” – but TBH I really cannot understand this attitude when these events have been happening for 14 years, reported in the mainstream press and the world and his granny now know about them (whether they accept them or not is another matter).
Incidentally I am aware that people working in mainstream media organisations regularly visit this site (quite often looking at events in the calendar), I don’t think this is anything particularly sinister though; just people who happen to work in these places who like parties as well!
it does show though; if there are young enthusiastic people working in media who are already raving, why haven’t they tried to “put our side of the story across?” – perhaps they have considered it; and come to the same conclusions as us, and/or are worried about their jobs if something too controversial happened..
Back to this film; I would suggest you spoke with all your friends who either may be featured in background footage or as “characters”; and got their full agreement for their appearance in the project – out of courtesy as much as any potential legal worries. You might also want to consider whether including some of the harsher parts could re-open old wounds or cause problems with existing friendships.
I recently found out that before the comedian/actor Ricky Gervais tells a joke about one of his schoolfriends in Reading, he actually visits them first and discusses the material with them (getting a signed agreement) before he uses it – I’ve heard nothing but good words about him from many people I’ve met in the city who grew up with him (and there’s a notable absence of tabloid scandals), and no-one refuses to sign the agreement!
cheers gen, i was thinking about clearing various names/ faces/ incidents, and you’ve made my thinking much clearer- cheers. did feel a bit spastic posting the plot, as someone could chaff it, but i prolly wont get too far with it for a while (plus to think its chaff- worthy is a bit arrogent).
wel interestin bit of trivia bout gervais – considering what a bastard he pretends to be i always expect some smear- but hasn’t happened. now i know why.
I recon at least part of the reason that film havnt been made is cos of the lack of a beginning mddle end story…as well as clearance problems and cooperation. i spose 24 hr party people is the closest thing, which was great, but not amazing. it didn’t quite capture the euphoria of the time (not that i was there) and focused too much on buisness desisions.
have you read loons prose on sj? its fucking brilliant. i would post it here, but it’s not my call. blatantly get him involved in the future if i can…
*blatently repeating what USE already said
I reckon a main issue would be getting the right balance with the storyline….
IME many films showing raves are either way too too “sickly sweet” and cover up the darker aspects of the scene ; OTOH you see stories (usually TV cop dramas) which are almost like “reefer madness” style anti-drugs rants or where raves are merely used as a background to other very dysfunctional behaviour (such as in “Kids”)
However any such film is TBH a standard “rites of passage” type story with the rave element providing a different flavour – but it would be a brilliant thing to see a realistic, down-to-earth portrayal of this lifestyle in Britain being featured which no one appears to have done yet..
I’m not certain it would have to be… perhaps it could focus on how partying can help remove barriers that exist in other parts of society…
a few scenes showing people enduring similar everyday ordeals from different perspectives… from the agency factory worker getting shit from the foreman to the 35 year old Home Office bod getting shit from the minister to the 40 something single dad getting shit from his ex-wife to a kid getting shit from his
uptight parents to the squatters getting shit from the council to the drug user getting shit from a friend
the point being that we all go through the same things while trying to conform to things our lives demand from us, whether it’s pleasing your family, friends boss or whatever
then everyone could go and have a good old rave in the woods and have a wonderful, non-conformist time
you could even include some dog walker that some party goers try to spin out but it back fires, cos she’s an old acid head from the 60’s and she’s freakier than they are!
I’m getting quite into this idea now… yeah, a film about how everyone represses certain aspects of themselves
a film about dionysus 😀
or something
you could even include some dog walker that some party goers try to spin out but it back fires, cos she’s an old acid head from the 60’s and she’s freakier than they are!
I’m getting quite into this idea now… yeah, a film about how everyone represses certain aspects of themselves
a film about dionysus 😀
or something
aye, its amazing how used I’ve become to seeing the media constantly focus on conflict (i.e crime films, dysfunctional families etc) rather than co-operation that I hadn’t even thought about this…
I like it though – its actually a common theme in many British films from the 1940s to the 1970s; a bunch of diverse people with “stereotypical British lifestyles” uniting in some clandestine/anarchic scheme – but more good humoured mischief rather than the violent behaviour and bloodshed you see in the crime films the UK seems to keep turning out nowadays…
well if it’s not done too cheesily.. 😉
and i agree it could be a lot more positive than a lot of british films claiming to show english underbelly :p
USE i would be honoured to help with the writing… time is tight at the mo, which i’m sure you appreciate yourself (how’s the preparation for the ‘bis march in May BTW?) but we should discuss this further! I’m sure i could make some time for something fun like that :D… especially as our crew seems to be in slight disarray at the moment and it looks unlikely i’ll be spending much time planning any parties this spring 😮
USE i would be honoured to help with the writing… time is tight at the mo, which i’m sure you appreciate yourself (how’s the preparation for the ‘bis march in May BTW?) but we should discuss this further! I’m sure i could make some time for something fun like that :D… especially as our crew seems to be in slight disarray at the moment and it looks unlikely i’ll be spending much time planning any parties this spring 😮
yup, time is tight, its taken me four months to move house, and i still am only moving somewhere temp ( ihave volunteered to caretake some squat up in don for lorraine23, but she’s no got back. the bis march is goin ok, but our fundraisers were double booked, so we are all gonna have to dig deep by the looks of it ( the reason BASS arent doin it themselves is that they lost loads of cash). designs for decor are shapin up, tho 🙂
our crews all over the shop too, and all our VJ equipment has been seized by the pigs. shazbaart. party oranisation is a priority this yera for me, tho…
IMO the mass media destroys everything it touches
Keep it real guys and gals.
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