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i get dates and numbers texted to me periodically
but I have no idea who sends them or where they got my number :surprised
My sodding lift blew the party out to sit in worthing and play computer games and get stoned…. i thought we passed all this shit when i was seventeen…
now i am sittin on my tod, posting on forums that are empty coz everyone’s at the munt, and i arranged to meet quite a few people there… now i look lame.
woohoo.
pretty much in the same position – wasn’t sure about going out this weekend anyway but had munt as a possible – however the delay means that the trains to London have now stopped running…
No ones fault though – people sometimes forget that London is not a tolerance zone, parties only happen because in the real world nastier people are doing nastier crimes which keep Scotland Yard more occupied but every so often something fucks up with a venue or the tribe of Met make things difficult..
USE – it is pants though if you’ve already arranged something with a friend and they let you down. I don’t own a car but I do realise the stress,costs and risks of driving and keeping a car so can understand if people don’t want to drive to London, but its better if people are honest with each other at the outset…..
not only that, but the ska band at our gig on wed has pulled out….and they’re our mates….i’ve known the drummer for ever, we’ve spent £300 on promo, with their name high up, and i’ve been going around to all and sundry for three months goin “we’ve got ska and dnb and oldskool, its gonna be phat”
our name is mud.
Just to let you know this party has been cancelled.
OB busted it and about 100 peeps waited at the tube station instead of going to place and stand up their rigth to party. Seems parties are not like they used to be.
Anyway another 3 parties are happening in London. TM punter splited and made their way to other locations.
OB can bust a few places, but hard core people will not stop partying.
To be fair splitting and going to other parties would have been a better option for all parties concerned. I read the SJ threads and the updated messages – also I know a lot of TOM / Itsy bitsy crew and would expect they did not want people trying to kick it off with the cops anyway!
People think the met are softer on free parties than provincial forces but thats not true at all – there are 30,000 metpol officers, and they can be deployed in some force at very short notice even at a weekend.
The met upgraded their comms equipment in the late 1990s to make this sort of thing easier and the budgets to do so are now always there in a post 9/11 Britain.
In earlier days this wasn’t the case so its possible cops would have retreated rather than waited for backup; but things have changed now. Anyway even if you do win one round (even just by force of numbers of and no violence) the cops will launch a reprisal attack later in the season – we found that out the hard way in the Thames Valley last year.
I’ve seen the met shut down parties in that area before, believe you me you would not have wanted to take them on, they were ready for anything. This is the reality of life in London today – they deal with gunshots, violent crime and terrorist paranoia every day, realistically a bunch of munters isn’t going to make them change their minds!
It only takes one bottle to hit a copper for them to justify responding with as much force as they want to use, and with a large crowd like that you can’t control the person next to you if they decide to launch a private battle with the cops.
When this sort of situation happens Scotland yard can deploy loads of cops within half an hour – trying to “fight for your rights” would only have resulted in a few heads being cracked and munt’s rig being confiscated.
That doesn’t do anyone any good – at least if people disperse to other events they get a party rather than a night in the cells or in hospital.
it seemed weird to me that all parties were well hush hush on squatjuice, except their own.
i asumed they must be trying for a double bluff with the police, advertising it the same as you would a legal event may have made them disbeleive it was a free party of something….there are always people bitching if some one says “kks” is in the se, 1’2 hrs drive from london”, but when it cames to munt, they had a massive flyer they posted about a month in advance, and millions of threads sayin where people were meeting etc.
i do think “shame on the train station crew” for not going and making a stand. i DO NOT MEAN going to start on the coppers, but at the end of the day, the more ravers the harder it is to bust, and they cannot nick 100’s of people, especially not for just standing around. its more about solidarity, if the cops are left alone with the organisers who knows what they would do to them, especially in such a “dangerous building”.
otoh, i wasn’t there so i dont know what the police looked like- wether it was a couple of coppers and a van, or six vans and a tank, plus cs…so i cant really judge (didn’t stop me tho, did it?) ::)
i asumed they must be trying for a double bluff with the police, advertising it the same as you would a legal event may have made them disbeleive it was a free party of something….there are always people bitching if some one says “kks” is in the se, 1’2 hrs drive from london”, but when it cames to munt, they had a massive flyer they posted about a month in advance, and millions of threads sayin where people were meeting etc.
TOM has always promoted their events like that – and there have been lots of other posts on SJ with as much info for parties in our area and elsewhere. The only reason you don’t get flyers in our areas is that often nobody can be arsed to design them in time (although they sometimes do get made).
Cops arent that stupid and know damn well who is doing what – this scenes been going on for 14 years after all. – I’ve also occasionally seen some seriously dodgy troll posts on SJ which contain valid info which could have been used to stop an event often when other crews are being slated, I do not know if it is stupidity or actual malice that makes people do this, IMO its no better than a so-called raver calling crimestoppers on a “rival” crew!
I don’t think TOM like the bait posts any more than any other crew but because SJ has a very liberal moderation policy no one takes action to remove them in time, they also feel they aren’t that much of a threat.
IMO its a bit foolhardy, however if you assemble 200 people anywhere in London Scotland Yard will know about it and send a bobby or two (or even detectives) to investigate – the cameras are on 24/7 with the level of random violence in London nowadays they would want to be sure it wasn’t gangs assembling for a fight etc.
One thing I am wondering though – wasn’t this the first weekend in office of a new Commissioner in Scotland Yard? Perhaps they are trying to “make a stand” and a popular unlicensed rave is an obvious target.
One thing I am wondering though – wasn’t this the first weekend in office of a new Commissioner in Scotland Yard? Perhaps they are trying to “make a stand” and a popular unlicensed rave is an obvious target.
not only will the commisioner want to make his presence felt, the cops are reeling after littlejohn, and know there are some juicy headlines in there somewhere for them…
ok this is a bit on the conspiracy theory tip but can’t also help but wonder if metpol knew of all the parties that were happening and deliberately targeted the better organised TOM , and pushed the crowds into the rougher ones, so trouble which inevitably occured could be used both to justify further action and to frighten people away from this sort of event? OK they are risking peoples lives but unfortunately they will only say “its an illegal event, thats why we have licenses to stop this sort of trouuble from happening” 🙁
after all why deploy cops on overtime when the local robbing scum will do the job for you for free (or enough mobiles and wallets to buy crack)…..
perhaps using the scene’s own weaknesses to try and destroy it ?
interesting…while it’s blatantly more likely that the munters were twice as bait as everyone else, and i would be surprised that the cops were this clever (but thats what they want you to think :/ ), there could be truth in what you say….what we need is a contact inside the force….
my mate used to be freind of the family of the head of the met, but he said you couldnt talk to him, he had long ago stopped listening and just said what ever he was going to, no matter what your side of the convos!
Do you really think its better to have loads of well small parties, and not one massive event that it would take an army to close down?
in my experience, theres safety in numbers, and the bigger the event, the less likely the shutdown. We’ve been fantasising on sj about how to make proper massive raves, the like of which havent been seen for nearly a decade…
ie
http://www.everythingstartswithe.co.uk/vids/dance89.wmv
and http://www.everythingstartswithe.co.uk/vids/longwick.wmv
how are we gonna bus’ this this summer? thats what i want to know…
in my experience, theres safety in numbers, and the bigger the event, the less likely the shutdown.
this may have been the case a few years ago; but things have definitely changed. 90% of this is due to the better use of IT and wireless comms within the Police, particularly the Airwave radio system.
The reason large events happened untouched was often because cops couldn’t contact another force for backup (or even a neighbouring division) quickly enough as the radios were all on different channels. Now they have “inter-force talkgroups” which means they can all be in touch within seconds (and unlike analogue comms ravers can’t scan this traffic!), new computers can show the control room how many available officers there are at any time.
Also when a large event happens in the area loads of yokels also lobby the police authoritiy and council for more to be done to stop the event – particularly if it has gone on for more than one day almost always results in a “zero tolerance” approach for the future.
(incidentally much info about this is on the net because of freedom of information) –
OTOH, although cops do keep intelligence info on all raves they do not always stop them immediately, but tend to wait until there have been a few complaints from locals before they move in.
I’ve known of cases where well-chosen smaller venues have meant a party has gone on unnoticed until the next morning when perhaps a dog walker wonders why so many cars are about and calls the cops. Usually if a party has been going the whole night it tends to be left alone until it naturally shuts down in the afternoon…
Another problem with large events is that you may get one or more groups amongst the ravers who have pre-existing disputes and want to fight it out, lord of the flies style. Until last october in Thames Valley area it seemed some of the so-called ravers were fighting more on the ridgeway than the cops who actually retreated (backwards) once!
links to freedom of information / police manouvers etc?
yes please!
does seem like there are way to many inter-crew disputes, and from putting on multiriggers i can see why! some crews think they have to conform to some random image of a soundsystem crew, complete with moody faces, monosylabic responses and ego’s bigger than their rigs!
Luckily we’ve avoided any beef, as far as i know, and have some crews that are properly well sound to party with, well helpful, and dedicated to the free party scene.. Psychosis, F.O.C., 9bar and Havok, take a bow 🙂
PS: jus in case, to all the other crews we’ve partied with, you are all safe too, just these guys are really freindly and have helped native beats a huge ammount….we
yes please!
use google. We can’t post links here because of the way the internet works, it would be leading the cops and councils straight here – although they can search on google as well and will find partyvibe and squatjuice we shouldn’t give them links on a plate..
A good place to look is the websites of the local councils where events happen, in minutes of their meetings it should say whether there has been any debate about disruption caused by free parties.
incidentally all the crews here get on relatively well with each other – the problems in our area are more due to random people bringing their domestic or financial disputes to a party – or amazingly, road-rage! At least one ruck started because bad parking on the ridgeway lead to a minor collision 🙁
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