Party Vibe

Originally posted by djvu
True but its always the small minority which are the cause of all them things

useally all by the same type of person all night

wat can we do ?

the smashy smashy crew are still mostly kids who can either be given a warning or ejected without too much heavy stuff – the same peer pressure that encites them to trash stuff can often be used to stop them doing it or do something more constructive

In provincial (“bumpkin”) areas a certain amount of discreet stewarding (NOT the heavy “bouncer mentality”) can diffuse situations before they happen as well particularly when a lot of people know each other.

not sure about London though – the hate and aggression is ingrained in the street culture now (I’m a Londoner BTW and this is one reason I got out of there) – best they can do is employ the door security do and hope that they don’t cause more ruckus than they prevent

as for toilets – well it seems half the ravers nowadays can’t be bothered to form a queue (you would think there is bare laxatives in the drugs nowadays!) or enjoy crapping everywhere – FFS even pet and wild animals don’t normally do this 🙁

Eventually someone has to clean it up when the building is re-used or even before demoliton, its classed as serious contamination as well (as bad as needles, due to the diseases humans carry)

building owners are NOT going to stand for tens of thousands of pounds of damage and cleaning costs with every party – and even minor damage can set back a new business project- even costing people contracts and careers – in the same area you live in and may be looking for work!

Damage its not always covered by insurance. (BTW like many in my city I worked in the insurance industry for a few years and know how it works) a lot of insurers would refuse to pay out, claiming that the the damage was caused during a “riot” – as the Police were unable to prevent it. Just the sort of stuff that gets Middle England screaming for the “riot squad” to sort things out…

its up to everyone – either to let crews know if things are not quite right (most will try and sort something out, those who do not will find parties do not last long in their area) – lots of people just stand by and watch things happen 🙁

I know this can be hard, but if you know “friends” who either kick off easily at raves or enjoy vandalising stuff then just stop giving them partylines, lifts, info etc until they realise…

Originally posted by USE
Anyway what im sayin is that if raves were more open and there wasn’t this “are we gonna get nicked or baton rushed” tension, then things would run a lot smoother.

True – one thing normal society in my area conveniently forgets is that a main reason free parties happen is because they whinged and moaned so much at the “noise/drugs” from the many licensed rave venues in my area that most of these were closed down or heavily dissuaded from putting on raves by the Police.

This probably also applies to Surrey, who in 1992 said they would not even consider licensed events.

A lot of crew people I know have otherwise stable lifestyles with jobs, good family relations, and do not actually want trouble with the old bill – many would be prepared to work for a safe licensed venue without the overcommercialisation of the club scene (which in itself attracts organised crime)

BTW I found an old history book in a charity shop about “middle age minstrels and travellers”; the first law enacted to keep down problems with “travelling musicians” was in the time of Edward IV, also Elizabeth I complained about students from Oxbridge committing anti-social behaviour and had some put in prison!