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@DaftFader 421677 wrote:

You’re misquoting what I said …

Lowest TOXIC dose … not fatal.

That’s info from an actual scientific toxicity (sp?) report done on the substance … not from random people’s claims.

Then you need to define TOXIC. I have 30 years of scientific research that states there is no toxic dose.

@DaftFader 421683 wrote:

It states it all in the document I linked to about 5 posts ago if you bothered to look at it.

Ahhh you must mean this:

TOXIC EFFECTS :
Behavioral – hallucinations, distorted perceptions
Behavioral – coma
Gastrointestinal – nausea or vomiting

I also found these symptoms. Extra points to the first one to tell me what substance produces the following:

TOXIC EFFECTS :
Abdominal pain
Coma
Intestinal bleeding
Moving from side to side
Slowed breathing
Slurred speech
Stupor
Unable to walk normally
Vomiting

@DaftFader 421685 wrote:

alcohol?

Very good. In the US having a blood alcohol level of .08 of greater is considered INTOXICATED. We all know that barring any physical accident (falls, auto crash, etc) the vast majority of people under alcohol intoxication will recover with little ill effect when used occasionally.

The word TOXIC has some underlying negative connotations. If you consume ~5.x g of GHB will you be intoxicated? By definition, yes. Will you die? No.

The major difference in chronic alcohol use is that it causes brain, liver and vascular damage. Chronic, correct, GHB use does not cause any damage.

Is ~5.x g of GHB “toxic”? Yes, in terms of the clinical definition. Is it life-threatening? No.

@DaftFader 421687 wrote:

The problem is, alltho alcohol is a horrible substance, you can drink a massive amount (in comparison to ghb) b4 you get i’ll … where as with ghb you run the risk of passing out and vomiting at small doses which can be very dangerous.

Don’t forget I’m only quoting the toxicity for the lowest recorded toxic dose … the more you take the worce the effects can get.

The problem that we have in our communication is not that we categorically disagree, but that you are presenting data based on the ABUSE of GHB and I am presenting my experience, and data based on the legitimate USE of GHB.

If I am measuring pharmaceutical grade GHB of a known concentration with an accurate measuring device it would be impossible for me to take 6.5g thinking I was taking 4.5g.

All of the problems with GHB come from abuse, not from use as it was intended. To remove this substance from mainstream access because a handful of muppets can’t keep their wits is unconscionable.

Keep your guns and GHB because clearly no one else wants them, i’m happy GHB has been such a positive thing in your life but you don’t need to go around like it’s a fucking bible spewing it down peoples necks when i’ve seen many fuck ups from it and even on this forum peoples fathers coming on posting about their own son that’s died because of it.

But obviously it was the guys fault and GHB could NEVER DO SUCH A TERRIBLE THING TO SOMEONE.

@fr0gman 421681 wrote:

Actually, I carry a Glock 22. The Desert Eagle is far too big and heavy to effectively carry daily. The Glock in .40 cal has plenty of punch and is far lighter and easier to conceal. If you add the proper custom internals you get a very reliable and accurate gun that has very little recoil compared to the massive kick of the Desert Eagle.

Of course that only applies to people who live in a place with enough personal freedom to allow such things.

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Obviously you don’t use the extended magazine for daily carry, but then again can you ever have too many rounds?

At least it’ll come in handy when the zombies attack, If that shit was ever to happen we would be so screwed!!!! :crazy:

@fr0gman 421755 wrote:

You are right. Guns do not kill people. People kill people. Drugs do not kill people. Weak people who decide to take drugs sometimes die. Those are the facts.

I am not saying that GHB is… what did you say? … “a fucking bible spewing it down peoples necks”. I am saying that used properly, responsibly and intelligently it is a very safe and healthful substance with extremely low probability of negative effect.

You said, “i’ve seen many fuck ups from it”. What you really meant was, “i’ve seen many fuck ups.” GHB does not fuck people up. When fucked up people come into contact with ANY substance they often go off the deep end. You cannot blame GHB for the shortcomings of people anymore than you can blame automobiles for crashes or water for drowning.

I don’t think GHB is a safe substance plain and simple. If it was diluted into a lot of water by people who made it then I’d be a lot more pro GHB the fast is there will always be people distributing it in dangerous ways so i’m not gonna be pro GHB.

Good for you you’ve found your super amazing drug, how much research have they even done on GHB because anyone knows that new scientific research comes out after ages showing ‘oh wait we fucked up it actually causes this bad disease as well’

If you deny that last bit that GHB could possibly be bad for you as science is constantly changing and updating then you clearly don’t have even a basic grasp of science and are just spewing pro data like you have from the beginning.

I think LSD is a very very safe substance but yet again i don’t think it should be praised as much as you praise GHB even though i KNOW the impact it has had on the world and done so much more for humanity than GHB has ever done.

Let’s take this one by one.

@p0ly 421758 wrote:

I don’t think GHB is a safe substance plain and simple. If it was diluted into a lot of water by people who made it then I’d be a lot more pro GHB the fast is there will always be people distributing it in dangerous ways so i’m not gonna be pro GHB.

I am not talking about GHB that you buy from some guy in a club. Street drugs are crap no matter what! I am talking about pure, commercially produced GHB.

@p0ly 421758 wrote:

Good for you you’ve found your super amazing drug, how much research have they even done on GHB because anyone knows that new scientific research comes out after ages showing ‘oh wait we fucked up it actually causes this bad disease as well’

If you deny that last bit that GHB could possibly be bad for you as science is constantly changing and updating then you clearly don’t have even a basic grasp of science and are just spewing pro data like you have from the beginning.

There is over 30 years of clinical trials and research into GHB and NONE of those studies have found any long term negative effects. GHB has been sold in the US as Xyrem since 2000 and thousands of people take in daily and none of them have sprouted horns or had their livers shut down, why? Because when used correctly GHB is totally safe.

@p0ly 421758 wrote:

I think LSD is a very very safe substance but yet again i don’t think it should be praised as much as you praise GHB even though i KNOW the impact it has had on the world and done so much more for humanity than GHB has ever done.

Really? How many narcoleptic mothers that could not even hold, let alone care for their children have been given a new lease on life after taking LSD? How many people suffering from cataleptic conditions that could not leave the house or hold a job have been given that opportunity after taking LSD? The answer is ZERO! Yet thousands of people now lead normal, happy, productive lives because GHB changed their lives in such a positive way that they are now able to do things that they could not do before.