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right before you call for the ambulances and men in white coats
Ireland is playing England in the rugby, the game will be played in Croke park Dublin, now there a bit of an issue about the God save the queen anthem being played……………..
All-Ireland winner {G A A} demands Croke Park medals back ahead of historic match
it seems the arrival of the England rugby team in Dublin this weekend has sparked a heated debate over the playing of God Save The Queen at GAA headquarters.
Saturday’s Six Nations international between Ireland and England at CrokePark will carry added significance for many beyond the usual fierce sporting rivalry.
Following the match with France, the clash will be the first time a UK ‘home’ nation has played rugby at Croke Park.
The presence of England will also ensure that God Save The Queen will be played at the venue prior to kick-off for the very first time.
The issue is already the source of highly charged debate. One former Kerry player has demanded a collection of all-Ireland medals belonging to him and his late father be removed from the GAA museum in protest.
JJ Barrett, who won the title with his county in 1962, believes the English should forego the playing of God Save The Queen as a reciprocal gesture in response to Ireland’s alternative anthem, Ireland’s Call.
which is……….
Come the day and come the hour
Come the power and the glory
We have come to answer
Our Country’s call
From the four proud provinces of Ireland
Ireland, Ireland,
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We’ll answer Ireland’s call
From the mighty Glens of Antrim
From the rugged hills of Galway
From the walls of Limerick
And Dublin Bay
From the four proud provinces of Ireland
Hearts of steel
And heads unbowing
Vowing never to be broken
We will fight, until
We can fight no more
For the four proud provinces of Ireland……………………………..
The ground itself has direct links to the violent history between the two nations. Hill 16, the stadium’s terrace, was originally constructed from the rubble of Dublin city centre following the 1916 Easter Rising.
The Hogan Stand is named after Tipperary footballer Michael Hogan, one of 14 civilians killed in 1920 by British Auxiliaries inside the ground in an event now referred to as ‘Bloody Sunday’.
God Save The Queen has been played at previous Ireland-England games at Lansdowne Road, now closed for significant redevelopment.
The GAA has been at pains to point out it has “no issues whatsoever” with the playing of the anthem. When contacted by the Belfast Telegraph, an Ulster GAA Council spokesman said the matter was an “issue for Croke Park”.
Former Irish rugby international turned peacemaker, Trevor Ringland, believes respect for the formalities prior to the game will send out a significant message.
He said: “Aside from the fact that it is procedure before rugby matches, if we’re looking at what people voted for in 1998, this is all about a maturing of the relationship between the peoples of these islands.
“It is a step towards reconciliation and will be an important gesture.”
Mr Ringland believes the controversy is clouding the occasion but did not hold back when referring to the small matter of the game itself.
UTV sports pundit and Belfast Telegraph columnist, Adrian Logan, who is familiar with Croke Park, said he expected the Irish to treat their visitors with the typical hospitality shown to guests.
“If you invite a guest into a room, you show them courtesy and respect. I hope this will prevail on Saturday.
Shoud the anthem be played
I thought you were gonna be talking about the Sex Pistols track, they should play that instead :laugh_at:
:laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at::laugh_at:yeah that would be loads better
Found this article on the Ireland /England Rugby “friendly” ………..
RTE News 15th February 2007 18.02PM
British & Irish Governments Plan Ceremony in Croke Park
Northern Ireland Minister Peter Hain has announced details of a joint ceremony before Irelands crunch game against England in Croke Park on the 24th February.
The significance of the game is not lost on GAA followers and republicans who remember the infamous shooting of 14 players and supporters by the British Army on the 21st November 1921.
However according to GAA spokesman Ulick Magee a plan being devised by the GAA and the Northern Ireland office, will attempt to draw a line under the incident.
“We’ve spoken to the British government and they understand the significance of the event back in 1921. Back then 14 people were killed by British forces so in the spirit of the peace process and friendship we’re proposing that we shoot 14 of their lot before the match. Then maybe have fireworks afterwards or something.” Said Mr Magee.
Government Reaction
The plan has had a mixed reaction from Downing Street. Prime Minister Tony Blair thinks the idea has merit but said that it needs to be done properly and with dignity.
“Frankly I think its a small price to pay for progression in Anglo-Irish affairs, but I think the idea of getting Ray Houghton to do the shooting would be too much for many English fans to take particularly after his goal against us back in 1988. And he’s Scottish which is worse.”
Proposed Victims
According to informed sources, the GAA and Number 10 have already drawn up a list of names for those to be shot. The list, which is not yet agreed, is thought to be a compromise of people that both the Irish and English public dislike. Among the names are moaney-hole singer James Blunt, foul mouth idiot Jade Goody, Trinny & Suzannah, Man Utd donkey Rio Ferdinand, cream cake expert Vanessa Feltz, “comedian” Russell Brand and any of the blokes who do outside broadcasts for Sky News.
But discussions took an ironic twist when both sides agreed on shooting Belfast singer Brian Kennedy, but neither side agreed on what nationality he was. GAA representatives claim he’s British with their Foreign Office counterparts claiming he’s Irish. The Irish claimed no Irishman should sing or dance in such a manner and the English saying he couldn’t be a Brit because he had no tattoos on his forearm and didn’t wear Ben Sherman shirts. However there was eventual consensus that he should be shot regardless of his nationality.
Plans agreed
The shooting will be carried out by members of the 2nd Infantry Battalion from Cathal Brugha Barracks in Dublin. The original idea to get the FCA to carry out the executions were dropped when they revealed that their rifles are in fact made of baked-plastercine. Similarly the Garda Emergency Response Unit was discounted for fear they’d shoot more innocent civilians then claim overtime for it.
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PMSL!!! raaa
Ha ha ha:laugh_at: :laugh_at: :laugh_at: RAOTFL!
that is the funniest thing i have seen in ages, i’m gonna show it to my mum, when she gets back from over the water.
The funny thing is i went to Croke park last year, with my cousins (wesawbillyJoel, ahem!:hopeless: ), i didnt know it was where those shootings were. Is that the same ones, that are in the film ‘Micheal Collins’? the bit with the armored car…
Actually, i’m surprised they play rugby there at all, cause mum said its only the anglo’s that play rugby.
I’m off to read my history book, classic post TR! fuckin brill! :love: :love: :love:
there are alot of people standing up and being counted at the mo, all over Eire/ Ireland, i would hope that the England team would make a gesture, in recognition of what it means, to be invited to play there.
Maybe the game is enough, i would think the England boys will be smart enough to lose!:groucho:
Dunno bout the anthem, maybe they could play it quietly, cos the Irish can then drown it out.
I hate rugby,but i might just watch this one, just for the shootings!:groucho:
The Irish rugby union team is one of a few national sporting teams on the island that draws widespread support in both sides Ireland from both nationalist and unionist communities.
As Ireland represents players from different sovereign territories, there has been controversy over the flags and anthems. since day one.
When Irish internationals were played alternately in Belfast and Dublin, the British national anthem “God Save the Queen” was played for matches in Belfast and the national anthem of the Republic of Ireland “Amhrán na bhFiann” was played for matches in Dublin – uniquely in the international rugby community no anthem was played at away games.
Since April 1995, a specially composed anthem, “Ireland’s Call” has been used by the Irish team in away games.
This has prompted some players and supporters from the Republic to complain that “Amhrán na bhFiann” should be played.at games played in Dublin “Ireland’s Call” is always used alongside “Amhrán na bhFiann”.
this use of “Amhrán na bhFiann” has caused similar complaints from players and supporters from Northern Ireland.
With Ireland’s friendly game against Italy in the run up to the Rugby World Cup scheduled to be held in Belfast, there were calls for “God Save the Queen” to be used alongside Ireland’s Call but this was turned down by the IRFU.[5]
Similarly, the Irish tricolour, the official flag of the Republic of Ireland is only flown when playing in the Republic and even then not as being representative of the team. A flag with symbols representing the four provinces of Ireland, is flown alongside the Irish tricolour in Dublin, and is used exclusively when playing elsewhere. At some matches, the standard of the island’s rugby union governing body, the Irish Rugby Football Union, is displayed on the field during pre-match ceremonies.
Many supporters in the crowd at Ireland matches wave the tricolour of the Republic of Ireland, though part of Ireland is not in the Republic of Ireland. Many supporters in the crowd at Ulster games (one of the four professional Irish teams) wave Northern Ireland flags though part of Ulster is in the Republic of Ireland.
OMG, what a mess…the flags thing is arcane!
I notice the English team seem to be ‘picking up a few knocks’ in training. :groucho:
Mind you, given that the French have won there already…
I’ve read that the rugby and football games are only bein played there until Lansdowne Road is refurbed. Nice gesture, tho.
I notice the English team seem to be ‘picking up a few knocks’ in training. :groucho:
Mind you, given that the French have won there already…
I’ve read that the rugby and football games are only bein played there until Lansdowne Road is refurbed. Nice gesture, tho.
yeah if l n r was open thats where that match would be:wink:
the list of those to be shot in croker can i just and ronan keating and daniael o,donnel to the list ?
my list
bono
kevin roland
daniel odonel
that fat bastrard eamon holmes {this morning}
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