Party Vibe

TBH there was a time (as recently as two years ago) that I would have just thought the “doing bird” comment referring to a girl, but in recent times even small time party drugs dealers are being sent down as an “example”.

meph might be as good as it will get for a while and even that may be a case of “enjoy it whilst you can”.

I think it might even be possible for this govt to slip in the classification of mephedrone at the same time as piperazines when then change the laws – they don’t really have to have any debate outside the Government – as all governments who are members of the UN are expected to make any new drugs illegal and it overrides human rights legislation.

What they probably will do is give just a few months grace for head shops etc to get rid of their supplies before the law is enforced. Even that is at the discretion of the Government or Police.

I think when classification happens though that BZP will be class C and meph class B, making the risk level such that either substance will still be classed as more profitable and less risky than encouraging the resurgence of MDMA.

So we will end up in the same situation as now except with more risk of personal users being nicked and getting a criminal record and also more risk to health from contaminated or mixed substances (I reckon mephedrone + piperazines could fill a Emergency Department in a weekend with a fair proportion of the punters from just one rave/venue..)

@DJCliffy 352622 wrote:

Hence the need for E testing kits.

we’ve had them available for 10 years and it hasn’t improved quality.

Its still easy enough to put a measly amount of MDMA into a pill (enough to fool a test kit) and fill the rest of it with other dangerous shite…

test kits are only about £20 or so a time so dealers what aren’t scrupulous but have a bit of chemistry knowledge will also invest in one to work out how to fool it and still maximise their profits

its like how people in foreign nations think irritant gas defence sprays are a good idea, but then it turns out that the sprays are very often used by muggers against people what thought they would protect them

@DJCliffy 352653 wrote:

I’m not saying test kits are the magic cure but surely people would be far better off using them than blindly knocking back untested pills?

maybe for individual users but what happens today is people buy pills / MD in large quantities, see them as a “sunk cost” so will still take them even if they are crap, or worse try and sell them on to another mug…

the piperazine problem has only started very recently, even when I first moved to this region the pills/MD on the street were good quality.

The elephant in the room is that the cops are winning the game with regard to enforcement against party drugs and disrupting supplies, but because demand remains high people are putting up with shit gear (this is a form of psychological addiction TBH). No amount of testing kits are gonna bring back the kilos/tons of quality stuff what SOCA etc are hauling in and destroying, nor is it going to bust people out of jail.

TBH I think the only thing what could bring back good quality drugs and parties would be if some other major incident happened in the UK like all the Muslims and casuals having full on riots like in the 1980s and this diverting the attention of the authorities – but the human cost of this would create a massive backlash with far worse effects to our lives than a drought of recreational drugs…

I think though the other issue is whilst piperazines aren’t very nice they aren’t potentially lethal unless combined with “real” MDMA, so the dealers have realised its safer to just sell the piperazines and maybe a bit of amfet…. mephedrone is harder to pass off as MDMA as people will think its speed if they’ve never had it before.

Actually I think one reason its kicking off between white casuals and Muslims (and actually there are increasing numbers Muslim footy fans as well!) is because the authorities have been so successful at stopping party drug use.

During the 1990s a lot of Pakistani lads clearly preferred jungle tekno to jihad, and as 90s raves had less of a alcohol culture their parents didn’t suspect them as much..

@DJCliffy 352689 wrote:

Could be mate. Although i fear there is a darker reason for the rising tensions.

in other nations things have always been bad, but in Britain people had it really good during the 1990s and this and the drugs/party atmosphere of those times did make a big difference.

Throughout the 1980s and 1990s there were exactly the same recessions and conflicts/wars over oil/religion that are present today – its only recently the war has come to Britain.

OK today things have got worse such as peak oil has now passed and drugs are as much a distraction than a solution to the worlds problems, but perhaps its time for the authorities to realise a return to a bit of tolerance with regard to drugs might calm things slightly.

UK football-related violence (which is what most of this is including the so-called jihadis!) actually plummeted during the early rave days, although some of the thugs said “when the drugs wore off we went back to football” and others used their former skills at violence to become ruthless dealers – but maybe with hindsight they will realise in this country that more clampdowns on drugs make things still worse…

not all rose tinted specs though, the drugs were good but the comedowns were harsher and parents were less liberal than todays parents – and to go from having usually good family relations to becoming nearly estranged from your family for relatively harmless involvement in the party scene (not even dealing or crime etc) was really fucking harsh.

Also if you were unlucky enough to get busted in the early 90s you’d be before the magistrate or fiscal, you’d get a criminal record and your name in the papers even if you were only 18 or so (not a caution like today) and find it difficult becuase of that to get a job in the same area where you were busted.

The comedowns also meant there was a lot of midweek domestic violence between couples and also arguments amongst friends, particularly over money as drugs were expensive (as a propoprtion of your income) compared to today.. some dudes also got into dealing or crime (particulalry shoplifting) and went from middle class lifestyles to prison and homelessness as its hard to get a job after being in the can..

I wouldn’t turn the clock back even if I was given the chance.