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October 7, 2004 at 4:37 pm

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toby2k2

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Claire im toby im 24 i was a heroin addict for 6 years and i dont need to go in to what ive lost cas you WILL no what “everything” means….you sound to be doin well keep it up i no how fucking dam hard it is im on 30m of methadone i was on 200 but ive been reducing for about a year now ……and ther isnt a morning that goes by that i dont wake up and thing about sticking that needle in me but it used to be worse i used to think about all day as well but today its not so bad…..good luck wiv it anyway it will be worth it

Toby…..x
November 3, 2004 at 5:55 pm

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x2c

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Hmm, well i started taking it on and off a year ago, this built into a more regular thing as i got into it. Then i got nicked with 3 bags and a g of K and stopped it all for a couple of months. Started doing it again round jan/feb time and it got to me a daily thing by the time i lost my job at the end of May (nothing to do with the brown i stress). I spent the summer doing it pretty much every day, occasionally using needles when a friend who did was over but otherwise not. We also had opium growing in our back garden so there was always that for a change. In sept i moved from london to plymouth to uni and got off it completely with the help of the codeine script i got when i broke my foot in the student union 🙂

Anyway just to add a sort of counterbalance to the tales of death and woe, i didnt lose a thing from it, except a load of cash of course. I have a few friends in london who do it on a monthly basis, so never have a problem cos the dont take it seriously and sometimes i might do a bit with them. But that doesnt lead me into massive cravings for it again.

Perhaps i am an exception to the rule? I do a LOT of drugs and have always found that i do one to excess then get bored of it and move onto another one, perhaps its that? Who knows, i’m just putting this up as its my personal experiance and that of a few others i know. Perhaps everything in moderation? I would also disagree that doing it twice hooks you, medically speaking it takes 14 days of continuous use for a first time user to become properly physically dependent, although this decreases with time and some other factors. Personally i can do it for 2-3 days with no side effects. I would agree however, if you havent done it best not to start. Please dont flame me for the above!
November 3, 2004 at 7:00 pm

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globalloon

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that must have been some script after you broke your foot to get you clear of using gear in the pin for a whole summer, unless you took small hits. I broke my sternum and the (21 day) codeine script lasted me about 36 hours.

I must admit that i occasionally smoke gear, but it’s not really worth it. I discovered purely by chance that I have it in my nature never to get a habit again.
November 3, 2004 at 7:17 pm

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General Lighting

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whether people become problem addicts is a lot to do with personality and their lifestyle – even physical heroin addiction can be (and often is) beaten without recourse to substitute drugs; this happens very often in the Far East (as does a relatively unproblematic amount of opium smoking in some commmunities!).

Addiction to many other drugs is merely psychological; and can with willpower easily be overcome.

Those who lead relatively stable lifestyles, with other calls on their time and energy such as education, work, family or relationships and supportive people around them often do not get drawn too deeply into addiction, whatever they may consume recreationally.

OTOH when people lose some stability in their life (such as a job or relationship) and then use drugs as a “healer” that is when danger occurs – and even “safe” party drugs can be just as destructive in this situation.
November 4, 2004 at 1:37 am

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x2c

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Originally posted by globalloon
that must have been some script after you broke your foot to get you clear of using gear in the pin for a whole summer, unless you took small hits. I broke my sternum and the (21 day) codeine script lasted me about 36 hours.

I must admit that i occasionally smoke gear, but it’s not really worth it. I discovered purely by chance that I have it in my nature never to get a habit again.

Oh, perhaps i wasn’t clear. Only did the pins when a certain mate was round, i prefer/prefered to smoke it. And I managed to do it by only taking the codeine when i needed to, instead of using it as a substitute. I agree about the habit/nature thing too, i do many things now i have gone overboard with in the past, but the initial fascination isnt there now so theres no impulse to keep going beyond a small amount of whatever.
November 4, 2004 at 2:16 am

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globalloon

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Originally posted by x2c
i do many things now i have gone overboard with in the past, but the initial fascination isnt there now so theres no impulse to keep going beyond a small amount of whatever.

then you might be interested in this

http://www.squatjuice.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=drug_reviews;action=display;num=1097573418

I met with Hamish and I would like to think that my opinion will be heard
November 4, 2004 at 4:45 am

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x2c

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Very interesting, I’ve emailed him about a (paid!) interview. I’m glad stuff like this is being researched, things are never as black and white as certain elements (gov, media etc) would have you believe.
November 4, 2004 at 10:06 am

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General Lighting

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As SJ is blacklisted by a number of web filters used at employers or within educational institutions, I have relayed the entire post here.

Although in the past I have given researchers a hard time for not being transparent about their funding sources or potental uses of their resarch, I wholly support this project, the JRF are a decent NGO…

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Dear list members,

Apologies to those of you who have seen this request before.

I work at the the Institute for Criminal Policy Research at King’s College, London. We are conducting a two-year Joseph Rowntree Foundation funded study about non-problematic, recreational and controlled heroin use.

We are currently trying to recruit anyone who has used heroin at least once in the last six months to take part in an anonymous and confidential on-line survey, which can be found at:

http://www.usingheroin.com

The website provides detailed information about the Insitute, the JRF, and the study itself.

We are also conducting interviews with individuals who have used heroin at least once in the last six months and who don’t perceive their use to be a problem. Interviewees are paid for their time. If you, or anybody you may know, would be interested in taking part, please ring or email me. My contact details can be found on the study website. Or, if you have any other queries, please don’t hesitate to get in touch.

Best wishes

Hamish
November 5, 2004 at 4:39 pm

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x2c

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Wow he’s a top bloke Hamish! Not only is he gonna pay me £40 he’s gonna come all the way to Plymouth to save me the journey to London! Thanks for pointing that out globalloon, if i make it to your next club thing i’ll buy you a pint!

Cheers!
November 8, 2004 at 5:59 pm

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Originally posted by PixieO’Fubar
yea mate i think most peeps here see it as a no brainer.

I dated a closet junkie and he was a cunt. not going there again. Ever.

I wouldnt trust a junkie, wouldnt even date one, get yer missus cleaned up mate, or get the fuck out.

I found needles in public toilets near parks in my home town. ive found peeps lying on the floor nearby looking very fucking ill. Then again i have issues with coke if its more than just a christmas and birthday thing cos it turned one of our mates into an utter fucking bastard.

im not much of a anti drugs campaigner.. beleive me..
i just think heroin should be left alone and that coke should be done in moderation if u choose to do it.

im gonna check this thread later see if anyone says “yea its a fucking great idea!” But i doubt it very much indeed.
November 8, 2004 at 6:04 pm

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You know my first boyfriend I ever had hid being on Heroin from me and he got violent and beat mefor 2 years he never had any track marks but he pucked all the time from it it wasn’t until a couple months ago he admitted it. I’ll always hate him for that but every guy I ever met has been a user I’ve seen them cook it shoot it everything my boyfriend now is currently into oxy cotton just stay away from drugs it doesn’t only effect you but your loved ones too
November 8, 2004 at 7:03 pm

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General Lighting

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Originally posted by bhall
You know my first boyfriend I ever had hid being on Heroin from me and he got violent and beat mefor 2 years he never had any track marks but he pucked all the time from it it wasn’t until a couple months ago he admitted it. I’ll always hate him for that but every guy I ever met has been a user I’ve seen them cook it shoot it everything my boyfriend now is currently into oxy cotton just stay away from drugs it doesn’t only effect you but your loved ones too

that’s a really harsh story – I’m sorry to hear it.

It does seem though that he was just scum to start with for lying to you – in relationships and friendship that is just wrong for whatever reason (drugs or anything else).

Unfortunately I am hearing this sort of story a lot nowadays amongst couples who use drugs (not just “nastier” stuff like heroin, even party drugs); the emotional rollercoaster that drugs can send you on can really shake up people; on top of all the other stresses and strains of a relationship this sadly can lead to jealousy, paranoia and even domestic violence.

they can make the good times excellent but the bad times a complete fucking nightmare…

and I think people sometimes need to know their limits a bit better.

The moment your own personal use starts affecting other people (even if its being just irritable and angry midweek) its perhaps time to moderate things a bit…
November 8, 2004 at 7:32 pm

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(Here’s a story my dad told me which has kept me off that shit all my life (admittedly I did try it once when I was 17, but not knowingly i.e. the person who gave it me didn’t tell me what it was)
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i am 16 now but was 15 when someone offered me what i thought was a splif of weed only 2 find out later it was smack everyone was just passing stuff round. i ended up on smack crack nd weed a bazaar feeling .thing is real drugged up people dont giv a shit what they r on they just want 2 b off there heads , and human instinct makes them think you feel the way they do , i have learnt always ask what is in it before you toke it nd if ure not sure dont do it its better to be safe than sorry !!!!! i would never out of all drugs chosen to take heroin i prefer psychodelics
December 9, 2004 at 6:47 am

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you all are being really harsh on heroin, there are many who can live succesful lives with jobs and a wife. as long as you got the power to control it anf to know when to quit physically and mentally the drug is relativly benign.
December 9, 2004 at 9:57 am

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General Lighting

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Originally posted by Unregistered
you all are being really harsh on heroin, there are many who can live succesful lives with jobs and a wife. as long as you got the power to control it anf to know when to quit physically and mentally the drug is relativly benign.

true to an extent; but most of the people like this are science/medical professionals who have access to purer supplies and clean injecting kit etc.

In England and other countries where opiates are still used in medical care (mostly for the terminally ill), health service workers can and do often parktake of opiates and other substances recreationally; yet carry on with their work and social lives otherwise effectively. TBH if they are meeting their work objectives I don’t have a problem with this; if you are dealing with death every day perhaps opiates are acceptable self-medication to prevent other mental health problems!

OTOH that level of control over your own behaviour could also manifest itself (particularly when emotions are altered by drugs) into a desire to control others.

We recently had a case where a British doctor was not only himself addicted to heroin, but also used it to execute over 200 of his elderly patients (yet treated other patients well so authorities did not notice for a few years!)

Those who criticise heroin here are those who have seen it fuck people up at street level; and as the street price and profit of other “party drugs” such as E, amphet has decreased, some less concious dealers are trying to get a captive market by introducing younger people to impure smokeable but cheap street deals. This is clearly a rather more pernicious form of drug use.
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