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This is such a horrific way of life. All i can say is how glad i am that i wasnt born into that kind of life! It’s so sad how woman seem to have no rights at all in pakistan, it’s disgusting how men get away with murder. literally. This is horrible 🙁
Honour!? they just have major control issues. he cuts her eyes and tries to cut her tongue out so she cant even testify!? my god they should just kill those men they are TWISTED.
Not just PK but many other countries, and not just the Muslim communities. just as bad things happen with other South Asian faith communities. For instance the Rajputs (who are Hindu) have been bad for this as well.
in SE and East Asia Japan isn’t Muslim of course and doesn’t have honour killings these days (they have happened in Imperial days) but has very low penalties against harrasment or even rape.
When a US soldier raped a young girl (about 10/11) he was nicked but they could only give him 3 years as that was the maximum sentence for rape at the time!
All that cosplay and Gothic Lolita stuff looks cute but the basis of it actually happens because young girls there are treated as sex objects, and then expected to be good compliant housewives when they get older – acting out cartoon fantasies of heroines during the time from their teens to when they graduate from uni is the only empowerment Japanese girls/women seem to get (compared to other East Asian countries JP really seems a bit backward with equality, ironic considering their technical advances)
The countries with the strongest womens rights in Asia are Singapore (which hasn’t got a great deal of personal freedom but can be “firm but fair”) and modern (not rural) parts of China (such as the South and Hong Kong, where women are vital for their work in industry).
Even in our rich, “politically correct” Western countries womens rights have been (literally) taking a battering. its a lot more subtle though, in very right on countries like Sweden (where feminists have genuine political power) men often take out their anger on marginalised women like sex workers, immigrant communities and in the rural area.
I grew up in the 80s and even in my life I’ve noticed a decline in British women’s rights, (although Britain is high up the scale in the EU, above many Medditeranean nations) and domestic abuse has shot through the roof. In my teens it was virtually unheard of amongst teenage and young adult couples – now it is sadly quite common..
@Honeybear 407290 wrote:
Honour!? they just have major control issues. he cuts her eyes and tries to cut her tongue out so she cant even testify!? my god they should just kill those men they are TWISTED.
That’s human culture. It’s all a collection a beleifs combined with any type of governmental system. They likely look at countries like america and hate it’s way of life just as much as you do theirs.
servers her right for being a godless whore
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its a messy world isnt it 🙁 we are all so lucky to be in the UK
@JRGiger 409187 wrote:
That’s human culture. It’s all a collection a beleifs combined with any type of governmental system. They likely look at countries like america and hate it’s way of life just as much as you do theirs.
Religious culture. Secular places are clearly much more moral.. Doesn’t everyone have a little hate for USA?
honour killings happen here thought, don’t they?
i heard of one recently of a family that moved here from india and killed their eldest daughter.. something like that.
@harr!et 409216 wrote:
honour killings happen here thought, don’t they?
yeah they do 🙁 on the rise/awareness is
in the UK in recent times there tends to be much less tolerance of domestic violence and enforcement of traditional gender rôles than many other nations (including some European ones!), its a small country where people are forced to live close to one another (creating a surveillance society), and feds/social services are better at dealing with multicultural communities, so those what do such things get caught much more often.
here’s an incident amongst the Sikhs of West London.
Three jailed over machete murder – Yahoo! News UK
Constabularies and criminologists tend not to use the term “honour killing” (especially as it tends to get associated with Muslims only in recent times) and just treat these incidents as fatal domestic violence.
Of course this wider definition quite rightly makes no distinction between race/faith groups – it can and does happen just as badly amongst White British, East Europeans, and secular as well as highly religious folk. In the UK two women are murdered every week by their partner or ex partner, across all sections of the community.
Thats about 20% of all murders in the UK per year. Times like this (the festive season/family gatherings and the first part of the New Year when the celebrations are over and people suffer money and relationship problems are particulary bad for these sort of offences.
Going back to the topic of honor killings, there is a distinction between domestic abuse and honor killings: The decision to conduct an honor killing is often made by a family council, oftentimes including the father of the person who will be killed whereas domestic abuse is, well, domestic abuse.
The laxity of the laws matter but not always. I lived in Turkey and there, the penalties for honor killings saw a massive rise, in conjunction with campaigns, both grassroots and government organised, to educate people against honor killings. The rates did go down but did not stop: People merely moved out of the law’s reach (not that hard in Eastern parts of the country) or counted on the communal silence. Whether out of tradition or social pressure, honor killings unfortunately receive the silent consent of the community, especially in one based on clan and family ties.
These groups often put their own laws above everything else and it is surprising to see how sophisticated they can be (even though they are based on a backward sense of morality). To give a very simple example, women are, unfortunately, acceptable targets in most cases of honor killings (though I do remember a few men who were also executed by the family council). But in the case of family feuds (also used to be quite common decades ago, but whittling down), the killing of a woman is considered an act only the lowest of the low would do.
Not sure where I am getting with that. I guess my point is, the logic behind honor killings is more related to communal appearances and women’s status in it than outright women’s oppression (though they are obviously related issues). Anyway, yeah.
@General Lighting 407299 wrote:
All that cosplay and Gothic Lolita stuff looks cute but the basis of it actually happens because young girls there are treated as sex objects, and then expected to be good compliant housewives when they get older – acting out cartoon fantasies of heroines during the time from their teens to when they graduate from uni is the only empowerment Japanese girls/women seem to get (compared to other East Asian countries JP really seems a bit backward with equality, ironic considering their technical advances)
to be honest.. i don’t know why women put up with it. especially in england where there is lots of help for women. i can’t put myself into the mindframe where i could possibly put up with that.
its even stranger as all the other Oriental nations around Japan (at least their rich areas) have better womens rights, and Japan is a very rich nation. OK life for a peasant girl in the North of China (if she is even allowed to be born) isn’t that good, but there are girls/women in rural areas of Suffolk and Norfolk who get treated like shit…
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