Forums › Rave › Rave Clothing & Clubwear › Hoodies: Hiding the Real Issue Over Social Breakdown?
I’ve just seen yet another “hoodie” news article –
this time bedfordshire cops claim 60 street robberies were committed by people wearing “street clothes” which include hoodies….
so they are now openly stopping people wearing these garments
We also want them to think about what they are wearing when they go out as they will be stopped it they are wearing this type of ‘street’ clothing.”
TBH I can understand the reasons why they are doing this; you can indeed hide a fair bit of stuff in a hoody and 60 muggings is a lot for one city, and also unusual for this time of year.
but hoodies have in fact been street fashion for 15 years. I remember them in 1990, along with daft medallions of peace signs etc which slammed into your chest whilst dancing..
isn’t the real issue the fact that kids have become so angry and dysfunctional they feel its OK to rob one another for their stuff instead of working for your own stuff and getting it by legitimate means, and if you stop people wearing hoodies they will still do crime wearing other garments?
perhaps making the 5-stretch for robbery be a real 5 years instead of 2.5 might help (but only if there is proper rehabilitation and re-education within that time)
I am completely disgusted by this hoodie fear. Blair says he’s responding to little old ladies trembling with fear in their homes, shaking everytime they see a youth in a hoodie. He should be telling these old ladies to get out and about, to interact with the youth. These hoodie wearers hang round my local station – yes they do look a bit threatening after all the Labour press about how they are up to no good, but get a bit closer, oh! They are comparing phones, chatting about footie/birds. Not scary at all. Quite normal really for a bunch of lads whose parents cant be bothered to spend time with them.
Blair is the most weak willed pathetic excuse for a person – evidence that 3 terms in number 10 completely cuts you off from real life and the ability to make right decisions. I’m not a Tory but I am almost looking forward to David Cameron in No 10. Blair is out of touch.
I now wear hoodies at every opportunity to ridicule the fears against them – I am a 34 year old woman, law abiding, in a 9-5 job.
Yet again, I feel I have no voice in this country. No one is representing my views. Youths in this country get a raw deal, no one has any time for them apart from when they are committing crime. The whole of society needs to take a good long hard look at itself rather than criminalising an item of clothing – but no one really wants to do that.
my parents had plenty of time for me – my mum and dad were married before I was born and stayed married untill my dad passed away – I had the best upbringing you could wish for – yet I still hung around street corners with my mates.
And wore a hoodie (like I said they are nothing new!) Most of the time it was just hanging around, the worst we ever did was share one spliff between about 5 of us.
Incidentally I was sent out of the Eastgate shopping centre in Basildon in 1990 for hanging around whilst wearing a hoodie 😉
sambo
i agree with everything else you said
but i cannot abide ANYONE wishing for another tory government
tony blair is a power-monger and no doubt… charlie falconer (senior judicary bloke) has always ben one of tony’s best mates, but delivered a swift kick in the bollocks last week – he pointed out that many of the changes that blair, blunkett and straw have been trying to force through (and in some cases successfully) are EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS THAT HITLER DID!!:evil:
but you’re a fool if you think david cameron would be an improvement – check out the CJA and the poll tax as examples of tory government:sick:
i agree with everything else you said
but i cannot abide ANYONE wishing for another tory government
tony blair is a power-monger and no doubt… charlie falconer (senior judicary bloke) has always ben one of tony’s best mates, but delivered a swift kick in the bollocks last week – he pointed out that many of the changes that blair, blunkett and straw have been trying to force through (and in some cases successfully) are EXACTLY THE SAME THINGS THAT HITLER DID!!:evil:
but you’re a fool if you think david cameron would be an improvement – check out the CJA and the poll tax as examples of tory government:sick:
even if cameron is partly human the rest of his party aren’t
but when you research the tories properly you find that their “small government” is backed up by “big enforcement” and that the “individual freedom” they claim to champion only exists for those willing to abide by a standard middle england lifestyle of a patriarchal society and family, led by white men for the benefit of capitalist private business run by white men, everyone else is subordinate.
no matter how much they dress up their image I’ve always found this to be the underlying rock of British conservatism.
Even thatcho recently admitted that despite her iron lady image, she did everything denis told her to (which surprised me TBH!)
I reckon even if David Cameron (LOL I just nearly typed tony cameron!!)
gets in he will be quietly undermined and broken by the partys old guard in the same way all their other leaders usually are (including thatcho), they will quietly take him to pieces over the drugs issue; or if he ever became PM he would be forced into a more hardline style of government than he wanted to enforce because of the old guard.
Picking on Tony, blaming him is what you are supposed to do. the whole of the upper government is a scam. The cabinet and the leader are scapegoats and highly paid liars. IMO any leaders even Hitler or a king, modern or from history are only as strong as the powerful group of elites that back them. The whole government affair is a con; democracy is such a good thing so we use it elect a leader. Leaders nearly always turn out to be bad so we elect another. Democracy is such a good thing we keep a higher tier of unelected upper class supported by stolen land and taxes and call on god to save their leader.
Britain is a country in denial and the rich get the pleasure and the poor get the blame.
elected Scum HOODwink us all the time and rob us blind, unelected High RANKing scum live off of major crimes against this nation and humanity for that matter and the police are happy to let these crimes go and pick on the low class scum wearing HOODs.
our so-called democracy is merely a dictatorship of the majority (i.e the lowest common denominator of middle england, who don’t care about anyone else providing their lifestyle is OK) – and even that is comparatively recent
it wasn’t that long ago (only about 150-200 years) that only men who had property worth over a certain amount were the only ones permitted to vote!
what has changed though is that many of the unelected élite are in fact living in normal suburban homes rather than big castles and stuff, and their power in fact comes from a common love of mediocrity and hostility to progressive change, whilst as elraveon says committing their middle class crimes of tax evasion, or running “businesses” that cheat their staff and customers and whose management have an air of superiority over everyone – the same people who claim to be in loving families then execute their partners because they won’t conform to gender roles (I’ve seen about 6 cases like this in 3 years in my area)
I’ve been researching crime committed by the over 40s upwards and it is way worse than any teenage chavs, as well as white collar stuff there is actually a core of middle aged violent offenders within middle england – usually angry old men killing over pointless stuff like boundary disputes etc.. I also reckon these men (of all colours and backgrounds, they are as bad as each other) are the ones grooming young lads to be racists and terrorists and to make bombs (most lads these days don’t have the engineering skills TBH!)
Ironically I’ve just been thinking that this is the same force area where they succesfully stopped many of the raves this season by using loads of cops to block areas – the same cops who normally would have been on duty in towns like luton and perhaps just by their presence frightened off kids from robbing someone… but of course they can’t be in two places at once and overtime isn’t cheap….
but of course if we used that as a pro-rave argument the rest of “society” would say “thats only because you lot diverted the cops resources….”
Does David Cameron have some kind of cred because he did some coke?
Is that what it takes to be cool?
Can someone describe themselves as law abiding when they have a strap line “a cup of E and a slice of K”?
You take illigal drugs you are a criminal, you should also deal with the fact that the nice guy you score off is getting the drugs from someone else, and unltimately you directly supporting serious crimes.
I too am disolutioned by new labour, but they have done a lot of good too, talk to a teacher or a medical worker.
If they were serious about a war on drugs New labour would not have invaded Afghanistan. The taliban controlled opium production, however under the coalition Opium production has increased from 185 tonnes in 2001 to nearly 5000 tonnes last year. Smack has never been so cheap. The taliban did not murder the farmers who grew opium, just burned their fields. For some reason the British and Americans cannot seem to manage that.
So if you want cheap smack vote for Blair and Bush, if you haven’t sold your vote for a fix.
Tombo
I’m sorry my flippant remark about looking forward to PM Cameron riled you so but I have never claimed to be a law abiding citizen and nor will I vote (nor have I ever voted) conservative. I was merely trying to point out that whilst on the surface I appear the model citizen with my job & mortgage, I am anything but. And appearances are what counts in this world.
There will probably never be in my lifetime any thing other than Tory or Labour government. I’m just saying I’m sick of the sight of Tone and his sycophantic cabinet. My main gripe is that my views are not represented anywhere in mainstream UK politics and yet I have a lot of similar friends – we are a large group.
You say’ You take illegal drugs you are a criminal’. Well, I’ve got news for you, I am a free person and I will take drugs that change my thinking if I want to and I am not concerned if any one else thinks this is wrong. I know it is not wrong. Why don’t you try asking yourself why governments are so against drugs that alter and expand thoughts and feelings? I think they are afraid of the clarity of thought that comes from drug use. The individuality of people in the scene is one thing that marks out lots of people I have met through taking drugs. They are not SHEEP.
Governments in the world make a big point of criminalising drugs and harp on about this so called war on drugs whilst protecting the production of cocaine & heroin – you have raised this yourself but have not come up with any answers – do you really sit there and say…if my government says it’s wrong, it must be wrong?
I choose to think for myself.
in another thread we were discussing “what is crime”
I don’t class non-dependent recreational drug use as any form of crime, even low-level dealing.
IMO its only crime when someone else is being hurt – for instance a user who beats their partner on a comedown is a criminal (or someone who drives whilst fucked and kills someone in an RTC) – or a dealer who shoots another over a dispute, or someone who is too lazy to do constructive work and steals to fund a habit, thats crime – and much of it only occurs (between dealers) because of prohibition, a dealer can’t sue a supplier who rips them off (although authorities can bust a dealer selling fake drugs for deception!)
but not just taking any substance for your own enjoyment or enlightenment
theres plenty of examples of “legit” businessmen killing each other over disputes
one thing that I’ve noticed no one has said on this whole hoodie thing though..
hoodies started appearing in 1989 or thereabouts
so how come only recently they have become “tools of crime?”
why were there no hoodie gangs until now?
Yer I think so clear when I am mashed :crazy_fre
its not that there wasnt any hoodie gangs, its just without all this terror bullshit, theres no way that the pigs could outlaw a type of clothing, it is draconian and fascist. but now the british public are scared, they love a bit of fascism, so long as they feel safe.
this country has turned into america, george orwells prediction for the state has come true. so long as people feel safe, they dont care how many innocents get jailed, or how many victims of torture this goverment uses as witnesses, or how many civil liberties are wittled away.
the gag is that we are never gonna be safe until we stop bombing other countries and starting wars with other nations. the reason we are getting terrorised is because we deserve it, we have been going around acting the bully. soemone try and claim that doesnt have an affect on the young mindless patriots in this country that thats the way things are done.
want someones oil? bomb their country citing WMDs.
want someones phone? stab them in the face then pretend they shagged your sister.
so long as you can do the spin, you can get away with anything, thats the british way.
it is the british government who have created this terrible example to our youth, not as tony would have us beleive, the parents. the parents are as much victims as the kids. how the fuck any decent parenting is meant to go on; when the workers have no rights because of dismantled trade unions; when so many families live in poverty, ill educated, living in insulting housing estates when the living get less space than the dead in the local cemetary.
blairism is clearly thatcherism rebranded, and while yes, blair has invested in NHS and education, he has also kept the trade unions impotent, shredded civil liberties to an extent that maggie surely masturbates over, and, most importantly, undermined democracy.
i think hu has the right idea, fuck britain, its a police state. lets all move to holland.
what if i grow my own and sell it? i call that ethical consumerism.
also, on the cameron note, i wouldnt vote tory if you paid me, but the greens dont have a chance for a while, so im resigned to it being tories or labour, and to be honest, i dont care any more. tonyt blair has wittled down my faith in government to such an extent that i recon the way forward is to celebrate the gunpowder plots 400th anniversary properly- by blowing up the houses of parliament.
at the moment, teh only useful bit of the govt is the lords, they are the only ones protecting us from more and worse terror legislation, and from ID cards as our “representatives” allowed them through. i never thought id see the day the lords were the best bit of parliament.
0
Voices
11
Replies
Tags
This topic has no tags
Forums › Rave › Rave Clothing & Clubwear › Hoodies: Hiding the Real Issue Over Social Breakdown?
