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  • given the furore over returning troops being targeted by Islamic protestors, I’m interested to know how far protest should be allowed?

    On one level I think its vital to raise awareness, but on another level I feel there is a limit to acceptable direct action…

    for instance at the climate camp I think the workshops about alternative energy are a excellent idea – not so excellent are attempts to shut down working power stations – as an engineer I know the National Grid is stressed but power cuts hurt vulnerable people and if a power station is stopped it will mean they have to use more energy to restart them.

    however protestors could contact the press every time EDF loses power in some area to point out the spiralling demand and lack of investment in both alternatives and infrastructure.

    Also I increasinly disagree with some forms of so-called “non-violent” direct action involving property damage or humiliation as I feel they could backfire – and I do wonder if people do it just to “stir the pot” rather than achieve anything positive….

    I can see the comedy value in hussing green custard at Mandleson, but he’s an easy target (even the media have been allowed to bully him a bit) and it does allow Mr Toad to portray himself as a victim…

    And if its OK for eco protestors to smash up a office where a company trashes the environement or experiments on animals – doesn’t that just mean its also OK for feds or even anti-drug vigilantés to trash a rave crews rig or even a head shop or info shop as drugs are perceived to be harmful and raves destroy other peoples property?

    What limits do you think should be placed on protest?

    the charges of criminal damage at the coal fired power station were not upheld because the protesters were preventing a greater crime of criminal damage against out environment.

    the guy that threw a shoe got 3 years in jail. bush walks away with untold wealth after killing up to 1 million people

    mandelson openly criticised a company director who came from a council estate yet made one of the most profitable companies in the history of this country while he has never run a company, has never been elected but gets to advise the government on how to run business.

    if we look at how the people shook up an oppressive society in the 1960s and how that lead to massive support for conservative, right wing, oppressive governments in the 1980s then the lesson to learn is to discover how can we protest in a way that engages all sections of society. there were real strides ahead in terms of human rights but the swing back allowed the last 28 years of right wing economics and erosion of civil liberties

    protest should be constructive… is my simplistic answer

    in light of current events i’m going to protest against the right to protest

    im going to start a facebook group

    ironically there are loads of “protest” groups on facebook – they are doing a very good job of saving taxpayers money though as the Metropolitan Police Forward Intelligence Team can just cut and paste the names rather than have to go through scrawled petitions and work out peopels handwriting (assuming Mr zuckerman’s mob isn’t just handing over the dataset anyway)

    globalloon;313084 wrote:
    if we look at how the people shook up an oppressive society in the 1960s and how that lead to massive support for conservative, right wing, oppressive governments in the 1980s then the lesson to learn is to discover how can we protest in a way that engages all sections of society. there were real strides ahead in terms of human rights but the swing back allowed the last 28 years of right wing economics and erosion of civil liberties

    protest should be constructive… is my simplistic answer

    its a sensible answer and we definitely shouldn’t repeat the mistakes of the past –

    from speaking to older people what were around in the 60s I’ve been given the impression that protesters (in the UK) were actually a small middle class minority (often those priveliged enough to go up to University which was a lot harder to do back then) and the reality was most working class younger people had to knuckle down and work hard, often for the nationalised and unionised industries and didn’t have time for partying…

    and the drugs/sex counterculture of the 60s was as much a distraction as an enhancement. All the surviving hippies I know (my parents age!) either stopped drugs/partying or never did them in the first place, they did a few weeks of “protest”, then graduated and the bulk of them became teachers (where to be fair they did positively influence my generation).

    with the unions and business management, they escalated often valid issues into a destructive spiral of strikes and reprisals by management which also destroyed product quality and customer service and without customers of course the business folds… or when it happened in public utilities it made the peopel react by thinking privatisation would be the answer..

    the 80s people had protests and riots but again it just entrenched views.. perhaps the problem with Britain compared to foreign nations (particularly Europe) isn’t a lack of spirit to protest but a lack of consensus?

    EDP24 – Guerilla artists swoop on derelict building

    An interesting development in Norfolk – good pictures but yet again its well heeled middle class, elderly, retired artists being “allowed” to take direct action – if any of us younger lot were to try that with a local building (I don’t even mean to use for a party were I could understand owners being frightened of it being trashed) we’d just get arrested…

    General Lighting;313161 wrote:
    EDP24 – Guerilla artists swoop on derelict building

    if any of us younger lot were to try that with a local building (I don’t even mean to use for a party were I could understand owners being frightened of it being trashed) we’d just get arrested…

    it depends how it was done i guess, banksy and artists like that seem to get away with quite a lot, but he is accepted as art now and not vandalism, by most anyway..

    djprocess;313166 wrote:
    it depends how it was done i guess, banksy and artists like that seem to get away with quite a lot, but he is accepted as art now and not vandalism, by most anyway..

    I am aware of people responsible for stuff as good and as socially aware as banksy but they’ve still been arrested and charged and in some cases imprisoned.

    He’s not a young chav either and pics of him have already been published – again anyone else doing that would have got arrested or at the very least sued in the civil courts for the cost of his graffiti. I think he has got “friends in high places…”

    General Lighting;313167 wrote:
    I think he has got “friends in high places…”

    wouldnt suprise me.

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