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  • This twat deserves a reality show. Just heard on the radio that he is ordering Venezuela to turn their clocks back one half hour because he doesnt want to use the standard time thrust upon his country by the evil imperialist Americans

    Hugo Chavez is actually a brilliant socialist leader, we just only hear about the bad stuff because he uses the oil in his country to bring people out of poverty, unlike america which supports the model of the money staying in the hands of very few people who are mates with the government.
    Here are some of his anti-poverty initiatives:

    [107] the construction of thousands of free medical clinics for the poor,[108] the institution of educational campaigns that have reportedly made more than one million adult Venezuelans literate,[109] and the enactment of food[110] and housing subsidies.[111] The infant mortality rate fell by 18.2% between 1998 and 2006.[112][113] The government earmarked 44.6% of the 2007 budget for social investment, with 1999-2007 averaging 12.8% of GDP

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Impact_of_presidency

    do you not think america is an evil imperialist nation? i thought it was clear from their recent actions.

    USE wrote:
    Hugo Chavez is actually a brilliant socialist leader, we just only hear about the bad stuff because he uses the oil in his country to bring people out of poverty, unlike america which supports the model of the money staying in the hands of very few people who are mates with the government.
    Here are some of his anti-poverty initiatives:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Ch%C3%A1vez#Impact_of_presidency

    do you not think america is an evil imperialist nation? i thought it was clear from their recent actions.

    That’s what I’ve heard and read as well…

    he subsidises public transport for people on low incomes in England

    I think he is an amazing popular leader. some people (mostly US government and right wing media) say he is a dictator, but there has been no oppression under his rule.

    one of the first things he changed when he won his first election was to allow freedom of speech!

    he even let the military leaders who (supported by the CIA) carried out a coup against his presidency to go free

    i like him

    an eccentric fella but he’s got some great ideas

    erm on the other hand he shut down every tv station that spoke ill of him and is apparently going to remove the term limit in venezuela so he can be president for ever. that’s kinda f*ked up right there imo.

    sure he’s doing good things for the people, but it’s mostly coming from oil money that is being so poorly managed that if oil prices drop the infrastructure will get hit so hard it will cripple the country for decades to come

    technomaus wrote:
    erm on the other hand he shut down every tv station that spoke ill of him and is apparently going to remove the term limit in venezuela so he can be president for ever. that’s kinda f*ked up right there imo.

    both those things are false. I’m guessing you are from USA? maybe you shouldn’t believe the media in your country

    The network whose license was not renewed in 2006 had continually called for the assassination of Chavez. Do you think BBC, ITV or Channel 4 would have it’s license renewed if they called for assassination of Gordon Brown? Or any US network calling for the assassination of Bush?

    The same TV stations worked with the military top brass and the CIA to support an illegal military coup against him.

    When the elected government were able to retake their rightful position in the presidential palace, the network continued to refuse to broadcast this fact… (and prevented the state owned network from broadcasting)

    The network broke Venezualan “law on social responsibility of radio and television”. They are still widely available on cable and satellite in VZ, so this isn’t some crack-pot dictator stamping out dissent in the media

    as far as removing the term-limit on his presidency, he has asked for this, but it hasn’t happened

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    sure he’s doing good things for the people, but it’s mostly coming from oil money that is being so poorly managed that if oil prices drop the infrastructure will get hit so hard it will cripple the country for decades to come

    do you think the price of oil is likely to dramatically drop any time soon? I’m surprised you think he’s mismanaging the nations wealth; VZ pulled out of the IMF and world bank this year, having paid off it’s debts 5 years early, saving the country $8million

    Compare that to the USA owing around US$30trillion to China, despite USA being an oil rich country and I think it’s clear who is mismanaging their economy

    compared to many of the leaders they have had in that part of the world Chavez seems far from “crazy”.

    In our “free Western” countries journalists regularly get silenced by the manipulation of the so-called “free market”, producers of overly controversial content find they just don’t get work any more. Without a revenue source to cover the production companies overheads, the risky content is simply no longer made.

    The way this is done is perhaps even more devious than governments explicitly saying what is and isn’t permitted by broadcasters.

    Great Britain has over the last 100 years or so experimented with several internal changes to time zones/summer time without any murmur (before standardising on the same changes as Europe).

    A fair few other nations have 0.5 hour offsets in timezones. They aren’t “normal” as far as the Pentagon is concerned (the US Navy/NATO only accept 1 hour time zones) but India has a UTC+5.5 hour timezone and isn’t called “crazy…”

    nah i’m from the uk ^^ (lol and pretty anti us trust me on that)

    the assassination attempt i have little info about, would like to know more. But all I heard about was that they supported an attempted coup in 2002. That was a while ago though so couldn’t be the gov’s reasoning for shutting it down.

    as for managing the oil industry, also around 2002 he made a well documented shock-move of firing pretty much every expert from pdvsa (hmm first summary i could find from guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,680668,00.html) merely for holding labour strikes.

    sure the balance of payments situation looks good, but once again that’s all from windfall profits caused by high oil prices. whether or not they will fall is another debate, but imo he is riding off of that one industry whilst investing in it very poorly. i really think it will end badly

    forgot to say of course he isn’t the worst/only person for whom i have dislike in that region. pinochet holds a similarly low view in my mind, although in a way you could say he ran his despotism in the polar opposite way.

    nonetheless, i think there is nuff evidence that chavez is a despot; and despots always turn out horrible :/

    technomaus wrote:
    i think there is nuff evidence that chavez is a despot

    can you show us any?

    IMO trying to compare him to pinochet is nonsense.

    pinochet came to power by force, killed thousands, exiled thousands more, orchestrated terrorist attacks killing his political opponents abroad and embezzled millions of pounds of public money

    there has been no repression of Chavez’ political opponents. He came to power on a landslide democratic election. even the people who carried out the illegal military coup against him were allowed to walk free

    as for managing the oil industry, also around 2002 he made a well documented shock-move of firing pretty much every expert from pdvsa (hmm first summary i could find from guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,3604,680668,00.html) merely for holding labour strikes.

    re: the oilstrikes.. they were also organised by the right wing oligarchs who were trying to destabilise his democratic socialist movement

    technomaus wrote:
    the assassination attempt i have little info about, would like to know more. But all I heard about was that they supported an attempted coup in 2002. That was a while ago though so couldn’t be the gov’s reasoning for shutting it down.

    the govt didn’t shut RCTV down. they refused to renew a terrestrial license because the network broke the law. similar laws on social responsibility exist in germany and scandinavian countries… it’s nothing radical or oppressive. RCTV still broadcast in VZ on satellite and cable.

    a despot doesn’t have to use force. the only strict implication of despotism is a strong concentration of control/power. I am not calling chavez “evil”, but am saying that the popularist way he is running his country is amounting to selling short his country’s future to appeal to the here and now. re oil sector just google pdvsa+underinvestment.

    and a strike is a strike; it’s not right to dismiss one for political reasons, especially if it meant that most of the skilled workforce in the oil sector has disappeared.

    also i wasn’t comparing him to pinochet; i just wanted to dispel the idea that i didn’t support chavez just because he is left-wing.

    There’s a good insight into Chavez’s governement and the coup against him in John Pilger’s: the War on Democracy…

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    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1029172/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_on_Democracy

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