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been meaning to have another go at this for a while (about 5 years lol), this weekend I’m still feeling a bit too ill/knackered to party so thought I’d try to install Linux on the old PC that my mum was using before she went back to Malaysia for the winter.
I need to learn some Linux/Unix skills anyway for work as our business is expanding and we need stuff like servers and VOIP telephone exchanges but can’t afford the microsoft solutions..
This is an Dell about 6 years old, only 384MB of ram and PIII 850MHZ cpu, it was sluggish even on Windows 2K, but I’ve loaded this xubuntu and it seems a fair bit faster (I did have puppy linux on it but it isn’t multi user and I wanted to experiment with accessing the box remotely from the internet and puppy logs you in as root all the time!)
I tried Linux about 5 years ago but both me and my mates couldn’t get it to work easily, it hurt our brains trying to get even the networking set up and I think some of us gave up in the end and started snorting ketamine, but this ubuntu seemed a lot more straightforward..
last time I used a Unix machine properly was in 1992! this xfce desktop reminds me a bit of the Sun workstations from around then but with much more power..
I reckon I’ve got a few more years life out of an old PC as well which I’m pleased about (this computer was decommissioned from where I work 2 years ago, even before I worked there!), this is definitely worth a try if you have an “obsolete” PC lying around..
thought i hadn’t seen you for a few days
for someone like me who just wants to use 1 PC at home, how hard would you rate it to be to switch to linux? how long to take to learn it? someone said to me that it would take me an hour to get to grips with the basics
I’m thinking about the inevitable Vista upgrade, which i’m not up for and i have a defunct laptop to experiment on
it only took a few hours to get this one going, but I’ve been busy at my normal job which is why I haven’t been on here..
with the new graphical distros like puppy and Ubuntu it looks pretty similar to a windows desktop. The way directories are named is slightly different, but I would say your friend is correct.
What I did find impressive is the way it could connect to the internet pretty much “straight out of the box” (this is via a wired network, I only use wireless for laptops)
what specs are the laptop? You do need around 256MB ram to be able to run a graphical environment. On both Puppy Linux (might be better for you if you are a single user) and Ubuntu you can make a “live-CD” where you can try it out before committing to reformatting your hard drive.
i’ll have to dig around at the back of a cupboard to check the spex.. the laptop was running windows 2000
once i’ve got a few other jobs out of the queue i think i’m going to give this a go… i’ll prolly ask you a few more questions soon if that’s cool
if it ran win2k it will run linux pretty well I think [win2k was nice but processor hungry]
As much as I hate Microsoft I hate Linux that little bit more. For a home Pc for anyone who is not a complete geek its totally useless. Yes you can get it to work and yes its beginning to be a lot easier to work with, but then nothing works.
Linux versions of everything seem to be the actual evrsion of the produt reverse engineered and reput together by some kid in his spare time. Either that or a lot of the official releases are actually just the windows application running within an emulator which is even slower than running said application in windows on the same PC.
If you’re interested in a software PBX solution there’s a whole distribution linux devoted to it which handles VoIP as well: http://www.asterisk.org/
And congratulations on having finally dipped a toe, it can be a nice feeling when you get something new up and running…
More and more people are saying there’s no real reason to leave XP. I don’t recommend Vista (going by what I’ve heard)!
5 years ago this may have been the case, but its evolved a lot since then for most purposes…. with todays distributions you can now get something a kid could use in junior school and make pretty graphics/multimedia as well.
OTOH I can see where someone like yourself may hit problems if you have a lot of specialist hardware such as multi-channel sound cards and advanced music software.
This doesn’t happen because Linux is incapable of supporting this hardware (far from it) but because the manufacturers of it and Microsoft have made a pact to develop drivers together and (they hope) to protect each others trade secrets (source code gives away what chipsets are used), plus not all companies are prepared to release stuff like music software (with an extremely high profit margin) as open source where they don’t immediately gain revenue (although its not impossible to make money from open source!)
Its this profit motive, rather than lack of expertise that stops Linux from working for some people. Some distributions do not immediately include stuff as “basic” as MP3 encoding because there are legal issues with using it in some countries!
If you are building a Linux machine from scratch you need to select the hardware to run with it, or be content with basic multimedia (the old Dell did make sounds pretty much “out of the box”, but it took a bit of tweaking to get it to connect to partyvibe radio).
Even so I was surprised by how many music/multimedia applications are actually provided these days!
thats what I was building at work this week 😉 (actually Trixbox which is a “friendlier” version).
TBH the Linux side wasn’t that difficult. Getting the box to interface with the BT analogue network was a bit of a mare, VOIP introduces latency and echo and as this is a test system I was using cheaper gateways from Linksys.
Finally got the thing to behave acceptably after some hours of research and work. Its a good thing I am an “old school” hacker with some experience of analogue telephony…
i’ve got SUSE 9.0
never really did get into it, it’s goin free if anyone wants it
OTOH I can see where someone like yourself may hit problems if you have a lot of specialist hardware such as multi-channel sound cards and advanced music software.
Having had a moment to quell my anti Linux sentiments I get where you are coming from. It does make sense to save the money on buying a copy of windows if its only to be used for a few specialist tasks.
Although then the problem still exists that not everyone gets the hang of things as quickly as you’d hope and in a lot of versions its very easy to make a simple mistake which can lead to catastrophic errors only reapairable by a fresh install or a UNIX guru. Thats why I gave it up very quickly when I had a copy of Ubuntu on one of my partitions as you can send ARP packets to an unconnected WEP encrypted network. Anyhow I had it all set up running smoothly collecting my IV’s and then I have no idea what happened and also had no idea how to fix it, so I gave up on it and formatted the drive. I blame the lack of quality control due to the open source nature of the OS (not me obviously :wink:)
Anyhow I’m running very slow today so I’ve kindof lost my train of thought again, but good luck.
linux has always been good for servers and embedded systems. Its only very recently its becoming useful for the desktop.
If configured correctly and users are not logging in as root it becomes a very robust and useable basic desktop (web, office, maybe some multimedia) for a bunch of shared non-techie users. As an example I could think of a “cybercafe/info-shop” at some sort of activist camp, making use of “obsolete” PC’s.
you can trash a windows install just as easily or leave yourself with a system that “works” but is suboptimal if you are not careful when installing/uninstalling applications. That said its always better to have a “spare” PC to experiment on if you are doing anything drastic with operating systems….
You’re doing stuff like this and claim you are not a “hardcore geek” :laugh_at::laugh_at:!
(I had to look up what you were on about!)
What you were doing is some fairly involved data collection/gathering involving high speed acesss of a piece of hardware at kernel level, which is always risky.
TBH it may have been a Good Thing this didn’t work, as cracking WEP keys to get “free” internet is going to be viewed a lot more harshly than “accidentally” connecting to an insecure router – its the difference between walking in through an unlocked door an picking the lock.
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