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  • reuters.co.uk wrote:
    Three paedophiles who planned to rape two young girls they had targeted over the Internet were jailed for a total of 27 years on Monday in what police said was the first case in Britain to use cyber chat as evidence.

    David Beavan, Alan Hedgcock and Robert Mayers used the Internet to put together their conspiracy to kidnap the two girls, aged 13 and 14, take them to woods and rape them.

    Detective Constable Dave Adams, from the Metropolitan Police’s Child Abuse Investigation Command, said: “These three men took a step beyond fantasy and had actually identified the children they would target, the location where they would approach them and what exactly they planned to do to them.

    The full report is here

    I dont know the full ins and outs of the case but that they were convicted of intent to commit the offences makes me wonder if this case will be used as a precedent for other cases where no physical proof exists.

    I accept that paedophilia is an emotive subject but I think it is being used as a smoke screen to set a precedent – normally you would need to commit a crime to be convicted of it.:you_crazy:you_crazy

    Our civil liberties are being eroded in front of our very eyes. :hopeless:

    • conspiracy — conspiracy is a completely different crime; according to the Pinkerton rule, a person can be charged with both conspiracy to commit a crime and the crime itself under the law of accomplices (Example: two people agree to commit murder, and one acts as a lookout while the other kills somebody; both can be charged with conspiracy to commit murder and murder itself).

    folk were charged with conspiracy, in Northern Ireland during the troubles. its not new, its like a lot of laws there passed through , during acts of war and suxch, so no one passes much atention, till some big case comes up, then everyone’s going wtf happened there. is that law

    aaah – Didnt get that from the news story – maybe it just didnt register :crazy:

    Is the charge under the CJB?

    Raj wrote:
    aaah – Didnt get that from the news story – maybe it just didnt register :crazy:

    Is the charge under the CJB?

    sorry not with you here mate what do you mean?

    Under the CJB you can be arrested for sitting in a room with 2 or more people discussing commiting terrorist acts etc etc [unless this was removed by a later edit]

    It has a variety of draconian measures in it [ like 3 motorbikes riding alongside each other = a rally etc etc]

    buried in the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act, 1994 somewhere as I recall:crazy_diz

    Raj wrote:
    Under the CJB you can be arrested for sitting in a room with 2 or more people discussing commiting terrorist acts etc etc [unless this was removed by a later edit]

    It has a variety of draconian measures in it [ like 3 motorbikes riding alongside each other = a rally etc etc]

    buried in the Criminal Justice & Public Order Act, 1994 somewhere as I recall:crazy_diz

    yeah its scary the shit they can pull, se although we dont look much into it the cjb as so many laws to it and by laws, maye you should put a sticky on here with a link to it so folk can read and see whatt is going on

    I will need to re-read it first…:scared:

    Anyone else happen to know where the section is?

    every aspect is on here, for anyone who’s got some questions regarding all of the cjb

    maybe make this sticky..http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html#trespass

    im glad, some justice has been won against these guys, 27 years between them dosnt seem enough though. This is a subject close to my heart as i have had a few friends that have been abused and seeing what it does to them for a life time 27 years between 3 people dosent seem justice enough. Not saying we should hang them but a longer sentence would do in my opinion, having known of peadophiles only getting 18 months before.

    AFAIK the conspiracy law has existed for many hundreds of years before even the Northern Ireland troubles or the CJA…

    its not a legal precendent that has been set, but what Scotland Yard is pointing out is that their evidence gathering system is now sufficiently robust for the Courts to be able to use online chat as part of evidence to convict people.

    In this case its not even as bad as suspected “terrorists” being hauled out of their homes and onto extended remand – the suspects had their day in Court in front of a normal jury and been convicted on the strength of the evidence offered.

    TBH all it shows is that the cops have caught up with policing the Internet in the same fashion as any other part of society, which IMO was inevitable and maybe even desirable as its now used by everyone including more vulnerable sections of society.

    What I find more disturbing is how a significant minority have abused the freedom of speech, expression and relative anonymity offered by the Internet and modern “Western-style” democracies to plan and commit acts of hate and evil – and when they are caught they take everyone else down with them as we all lose our freedoms 🙁

    as a few people have already said, planning to commit a crime has been illegal for a long time

    few examples

    going out equipped (for burglary)
    possession with intent (to supply)
    conspiracy (to muder)

    i think it’s a good thing for serious crime prevention

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