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i find it very hard to tell myself no k, can do it easy with everything else.
@smokeitup 397462 wrote:
yea i know. i did find the groups quite helpful. was good to be around other people that are in the same position as me an i still try to make at least one meeting a week. maybe i should try to get to 2 or 3 a week…
If you find it helpfull you should deffo do it more!
One thing I’ve learnt from giving things up is a trap that is common.
If when quitting something you relapse and take something … it’s easy to tell your self “all that work for nothing” but it’s a bad idea to think this way as you are more likely to carry on taking if you feel like you’ve failed. As in your mind you negate the time and hard work allready spent getting to where you are now, purely, because you had a momentary lapse of will power (It even happens to people who arn’t addicted to stuff – they let something momentaraly get in the way of what they are trying to achive because of a lapse in concentraition).
The actual fact, and what you need to tell/remind your self, is that you’ve managed to be a “non-user” allready. You’ve achived that and lived that life since you started quitting k as a “non-user”! You have to remeber that fact, alltho try not to think of it litteraly as you are a “non-user” but just know that you don’t take k in your head as you would know you don’t like a certain food you know you don’t like (you don’t have to constantly remind your self that you don’t like that food! If you happen to just think about it, you just know you don’t eat it.).
Don’t let minor blips become major problems as if you’ve stayed off it for a week at some point – you KNOW you can do it, and as many times as needed! (It gets easyer each time on the whole if my experiance is anything to go by). If for example you don’t take k for 1 mounth and then you take it once it really isn’t a problem, as long as you know this in your head it’ll go along way to helping you not continue taking it again and again.
You have to make sure in your mind that you realise if you have allready not taken k for any period of time you have allready been a “non k user” and that’s what you need to think like “you are not a k user” and if you are not a k user taking k once off isn’t a problem as you’re not going to do it every day after.
If you can gain this mentality it really does help alot when trying to get off substances you are hooked on. (has worked for both booze and cigs for me – heavy user of booze everyday for 8 years or so and smoker everyday for 13-14 years upuntill over a year ago where i started to drink mby once a week max but that’s fine as i’m not a drinker and upuntill 4 weeks ago when i only smoke when i’m drunk which isn’t a problem as I’m not a smoker anyway. 😉 ) Obv I’m hoping to improve further still but it’s thinking like this that’s got me this far.
Disclosure – I don’t want this to get confused with “denying” you have a problem. This is something diferant and counterproductive in my mind. But once you have made that step to quit and have allready started to not take the substance THEN it’s time to realise that you don’t take that substance in your mind and if you do once it’s not the end of the world.
Dwelling on the past is a negative thing as you’ll allways get pulled back into it – allways look to the now and the future!
Hope this helps somewhat dude. :love:
good advice df. seems like it could almost have been taken out of the allen carr book! 😉
@process 397518 wrote:
good advice df. seems like it could almost have been taken out of the allen carr book! 😉
I don’t wanna sound arrogant but this is why I didn’t bother with that book as I was sure I knew alot of what would be in it anyway.
Part of my post was stuff I allready knew/had worked out/picked up over the years of failed attempts to quit drinking added in with some ideas a friend gave me when he tried quitting smoking (no he hasn’t read the book either :P) but adapted to fit my own needs as in the end if something isn’t working for you .. then it’s just not gonna work (unless you try till you’re blue in the face then it may finaly work – but it’s easyer and probably more sensible to try something else you find works better).
This is why I agree that smokeitup is right when he sais he should do more of the group meditation stuff if it helps him, as it helps him. 😉
move to london, i wanna disappear too 😀
‘cept being in london isn’t the best because there are lots of trains and trains remind me of drugs. but maybe that’s just me..
and cozmic is totally right, moderation and self control is the key. and always having people around you to keep you down to the ground and so you can talk things out ’til you’re happy again 🙂
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ive thought about moving to london. but i know too many people there an theres too many parties (although this weekend i am looking to go out in london)
i need to live somewhere that has a shit music scene.. therefore i wont go out most nights and get fucked. therefore ill live a cleaner, more sober life and might actually get productive things done. Not that i havent made any achievments in brighton. i ran the last Temporary Autonomous Art event, run a Pirate Cinema for 3 months have arranged numberous club nights and many free parties.. the only thing is tho all these things have involved getting fucked, sniffing lots of k and partying. Im fed up of the squat scene. but seem to be so deep into it the only option is to move away. Im viewing some houses in Northamptonshire on Sat. Hopefuly ill find one and can move up there asap.
im curious tho Harr!et.. how come trains remind you of drugs? sounds interesting!
@smokeitup 398102 wrote:
i need to live somewhere that has a shit music scene.. therefore i wont go out most nights and get fucked. therefore ill live a cleaner, more sober life and might actually get productive things done.
mate in 2006 I moved out of Reading to Ipswich and left all my raver friends behind, due to starting a new job.
In a few months of moving I had already made a load of contacts for “stuff” and by 2007 until the feds enforced zero tolerance was partying every other weekend in East Anglia.
Friends of mine have gone prison for putting on illegal raves but I still went to legals until 2009. AFAIK the region is still full of drugs if you go looking for them (though I don’t really bother any more) and music events still happen, waveform and unity tribe were both in my region this weekend.
The only way I stopped was because over the last few years I just got bored of partying and concentrated on work a lot more as it suddenly became more fulfilling – even though the hours are long and aspects of it became less stressful than partying – I’ve got more money, more respect for what I do, not paranoid feds are after me any longer.
it did involve “forgetting” about stuff like art and music and to a extent but not totally, next week I am setting up a big multimedia projection system – OK its for boring “corporate” stuff but I still get to use my skills. in fact my employers are a small business with a lot of progressive and eco-friendly views and don’t hold me back with bureaucracy either so I pay back that respect by working hard…
don’t get me wrong I’ve been to HDFK and TAA etc and got a lot of respect for these events and I do miss the old days but times change – but there’s some heavy shit going down in this world with peak oil, environment etc and something just clicked in my head a year or so ago (like energy-efficient LED light bulb :laugh_at:) and I realised I had to concentrate on skills and stability – can’t afford to fuck up my mind and body if I want to survive, still got 40-60 years ahead of me!
@smokeitup 398102 wrote:
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im curious tho Harr!et.. how come trains remind you of drugs? sounds interesting!
cos.. people go on trains to get drugs 🙂 or people live me who can’t drive.
@harr!et 398204 wrote:
cos.. people go on trains to get drugs 🙂 or people live me who can’t drive.
in a place like London where trains are more regular (even South of the river!) it ofren makes sense even if you can drive. or at least until BTP start putting sniffer dogs at main transit points which they do now and then.
Old bill can stop any car, isolate it from the crowd and search the vehicle and passengers if they suspect drugs and have been able to do so for decades.
A car is a also smaller metal box which often tends to contain the same groups of people and is relatively easy to follow around on CCTV or even plant surveillance devices in.
on a train the cops/feds have their attentions diverted also by stopping muggers, rapists, handbag thieves and pickpockets, and (although less these days) getting paranoid that brown skinned people might spontaneously explode. (I am brown skinned and have not spontanteously exploded for 38 years).
i swear you can request they fill out a form that requires a legitimate reason to search you.. :S and it can’t be cos they just “thought you were guilty”. the police should spend their money on better things other than stopping people live the way they want to.
the pcsos on the other hand.. what a COMPLETE joke. i was with some friends the other day and two came up to us and one of my friends just smacked his hat down over his face and told him to jog on.. and they didn’t do anything. pointless. let’s spend our taxes on something more important than paying a tonne of pcsos too.
i should be prime minister, i would rock.
trains not to great an idea recently – if your planning on carrying stuff – sniffer dogs are regular at stations round my way
I was talking to one dog handler recently – said they’d recently caught a copper, a barrister and other ‘ professional’ people out who they wouldn’t necessarily have ‘stopped and searched’ due to their usual opinion of what a ‘drug user’ looks like….. :hopeless: dogs dont have this sort of prejudice – they sniff anyone 😉
@harr!et 398239 wrote:
i swear you can request they fill out a form that requires a legitimate reason to search you.. :S and it can’t be cos they just “thought you were guilty”. the police should spend their money on better things other than stopping people live the way they want to.
this form (which the current govt are trying to abolish) hasd only been around for about 10 years and even then they can still use excuses such as “being in an area where drugs are often used and dealt” (my mate had this written on one of these forms a few years back)
when I was in my late teens there weren’t PCSOs, real cops would stop you whenever they felt like it and they’d only just stopped randomly beating people up when they wanted to (in truth it was only middle class/smarter young people who where “safer”, those who gave cops any form of real lip still got a kicking).
the only positive development was that by the 1990s they weren’t as racist as they used to be.
that said you can’t really blame the cops for enforcing drugs laws when the laws are there – its the population as a whole what has to decide by consensus that they are willing to tolerate drugs being used, just as sexism and racism are not tolerated by most decent folk these days. being a former Londoner I know metpol are a sketchy bunch sometimes but round this way cops do a lot to stop young people and young women in particular from being bullied and controlled by others. they aren’t perfect but society would be a worse place without them, I’ve really only got beef with drugs laws TBH..
but to make drugs prohibition obsolete people your age have to make less fuck ups than my generation have done!
yeah, i get that. i know people who HATEHATEHATE the police.. but i guess they’re just doing what they’re meant to. i’m sure there are police who disagree with drugs laws themselves.
and it’s not always necessarily about what the general public want, cos a recent poll said that the majority (the small majority, but majority nonetheless) want capital punishment brought back, but the MPs who represent the country don’t always vote the way their constituents want, hence why capital punishment is still not used.
the only way i can see sense in drug laws is that if properly enforced, it would stop all the secondary effects of drugs (eg. alot of prostitution, robbery, gangs etc..) but the responsible drug users shouldn’t be penalised for what some dickweeds do for their next hit. legalising drugs would be a more effective way of tackling those secondary effects, imo.
@Tank Girl 398240 wrote:
trains not to great an idea recently – if your planning on carrying stuff – sniffer dogs are regular at stations round my way
I was talking to one dog handler recently – said they’d recently caught a copper, a barrister and other ‘ professional’ people out who they wouldn’t necessarily have ‘stopped and searched’ due to their usual opinion of what a ‘drug user’ looks like….. :hopeless: dogs dont have this sort of prejudice – they sniff anyone 😉
really? :O cheeky.
ive proper shat myself on trains before when i have things on my person i shouldnt have. the most fun tho is going to warehouse parties in london and having to get the train there. fri and sat night trains from brighton to london are ALWAYS full of munters. i remember last year on my way to a party it was during the brighton fringe festival and there was a poet on the train who did some really kool stand up stuff.
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